Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

[D_BaldStockings]

Yes, I consider the additions to be nothing less than a direct attack on the breeds singled out.

There is no way any of the overkill of restriction is merited or sensible and it is either going to hang the bill and prevent passage OR hang the horse shows for those breeds.

• which might have legal consequences if there is comparison to other disciplines as Reining, Dressage, Jumping…
  all of which employ specific shoes, or boots, bandages, etc. allowed on show/auction/public exhibition/warm up grounds.

Reaaly folks, it isn’t about soring or lame.

It is about “we don’t like the look, so we are going to stop you; because we can.”

[WalkInTheWoods]

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;6570559]
Reaaly folks, it isn’t about soring or lame.

It is about “we don’t like the look, so we are going to stop you; because we can.”[/QUOTE]

Your opinion. You have no idea what is in the heart and minds of us who want to see the stacks and action devices for TWHs in the trash can.

Nathaniel thanks for posting. I think you need to add… who gets to paint the caustic and carcinogenic chemicals on the horses - while the boss stands back and says Paint this, Wrap that.

[WalkInTheWoods]

cordial when you talk to your vet please do tell him that his opinions will be posted on a forum that reaches around the world. And ask him if he reads correspondence from the AAEP and AVMA. You will come back here and edit anything he says, so what is the point ? If you dont name him, and if he wont stand up for whatever he says, it is just hearsay. You will be wasting both your and our time. The AAEP and AVMA get it.

[cordial]

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6570588]
cordial when you talk to your vet please do tell him that his opinions will be posted on a forum that reaches around the world. And ask him if he reads correspondence from the AAEP and AVMA. You will come back here and edit anything he says, so what is the point ? If you dont name him, and if he wont stand up for whatever he says, it is just hearsay. You will be wasting both your and our time. The AAEP and AVMA get it.[/QUOTE]

Boy, this whole thing has taken on a life of its own. Really?

[walknsound]

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;6570559]
Yes, I consider the additions to be nothing less than a direct attack on the breeds singled out.

There is no way any of the overkill of restriction is merited or sensible and it is either going to hang the bill and prevent passage OR hang the horse shows for those breeds.

• which might have legal consequences if there is comparison to other disciplines as Reining, Dressage, Jumping…
  all of which employ specific shoes, or boots, bandages, etc. allowed on show/auction/public exhibition/warm up grounds.

Reaaly folks, it isn’t about soring or lame.

It is about “we don’t like the look, so we are going to stop you; because we can.”[/QUOTE]
It’s not about the look, It’s about the suffering of horses.

[D_BaldStockings]

[QUOTE=walknsound;6570688]
It’s not about the look, It’s about the suffering of horses.[/QUOTE]

Then Enforce what is already on the books.

A sore horse is sore. That should be illegal and punished. Yes, I get that. Caustics, pressure shoeing, etc
Go get 'em!

But -
A shoe that has weight worn for Dressage would be unlawful for TWH use because it alters gait -as does any shoe.
WHY? If it doesn’t cause soreness it shouldn’t be unlawful. That is just attempting to shut down TWH (and other listed breeds) regardless of not being sore. That is not sore or suffering.

I won’t agree with that.

[fburton]

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;6570909]
If it doesn’t cause soreness it shouldn’t be unlawful.[/QUOTE]
What about unnecessary discomfort?

[walknsound]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1134385/index.htm

[WalkInTheWoods]

The above link was from 1960. This one is from 1956, yes 56 years ago. It is an American disgrace that this has not been dealt with.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1131949/index.htm

[Niennor]

Preacher, I am not a big fan of religion, but i have to say that you are OK in my book. Thanks for the updates on the trial.

I may be miles away and never have seen a TWH up close, but I can recognize abuse and cruelty when I see it. And, to me, the worst kind of abuse is against those creatures who can’t peak out or ask for help.

I’m not into the whole forgiving deal, but I certainly can understand your point of view.

[frugalannie]

Another note to Preacher

Preacher, thank you for writing the post about Mr. Dockerey from your special point of view. I wish everyone participating in the horse industry, particularly the younger riders, would read it. First, it gives tremendous insight and context to how things have changed over the decades by law, and how they haven’t changed in practice. Second, it may create recognition of the humanity of the no-name, behind-the-scenes people who make the horse industry possible.

While I can’t condone what this man did, I do feel sad for him. Your description of him reminds me of a wonderful old southern horsemen I had the privilege of working with for many years, although their fates were not the same.

[aarpaso]

if the TWHBEA had done its job to change what was happening to the HORSE in 1956 1960 1970 thru 2012 we would not be seeing such abuse today.the stacked front and dog draggin rear. never would have happened.

the sadistic inhuman greedy men and women,who only think of the ribbon and money made from every painful step of that stacked padded sored horse.

and don’t try and tell me that it doesn’t harm the horse IT DOES.

if it didn’t than why is the AVMA AAEP standing with the USDA,on this matter.

and why is the AQHA,making changes in some of its rules,are the winds of change blowing in FAVOR of the horse,and not man’s greed.

BIG LICK is leaving this planet,and none to soon.

[cordial]

[QUOTE=aarpaso;6571451]
if the TWHBEA had done its job to change what was happening to the HORSE in 1956 1960 1970 thru 2012 we would not be seeing such abuse today.the stacked front and dog draggin rear. never would have happened.

the sadistic inhuman greedy men and women,who only think of the ribbon and money made from every painful step of that stacked padded sored horse.

and don’t try and tell me that it doesn’t harm the horse IT DOES.

if it didn’t than why is the AVMA AAEP standing with the USDA,on this matter.

and why is the AQHA,making changes in some of its rules,are the winds of change blowing in FAVOR of the horse,and not man’s greed.

BIG LICK is leaving this planet,and none to soon.[/QUOTE]
If I were you, I wouldn’t “bet the farm” that the Big Lick is leaving the planet.

[walknsound]

[QUOTE=cordial;6571524]
If I were you, I wouldn’t “bet the farm” that the Big Lick is leaving the planet.[/QUOTE]

Really?

[walknsound]

[QUOTE=cordial;6571524]
If I were you, I wouldn’t “bet the farm” that the Big Lick is leaving the planet.[/QUOTE]

Really?

[aarpaso]

let me share this bit of truth,its not just a handful of people that find the practice of Big Lick,appalling,inhumane,unatural,its now world wide. people are writing letters to Judges,Congress,its in cyberspace END this abuse NOW.

did i not read somewhere Horse Shows are canceling Big Lick classes?

[Malda]

Dressage horses are not wearing shoes that would be unlawful for a TWH, or any other horse.

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;6570909]
Then Enforce what is already on the books.

A sore horse is sore. That should be illegal and punished. Yes, I get that. Caustics, pressure shoeing, etc
Go get 'em!

But -
A shoe that has weight worn for Dressage would be unlawful for TWH use because it alters gait -as does any shoe.
WHY? If it doesn’t cause soreness it shouldn’t be unlawful. That is just attempting to shut down TWH (and other listed breeds) regardless of not being sore. That is not sore or suffering.

I won’t agree with that.[/QUOTE]

[The_Preacher]

[QUOTE=Niennor;6571335]
Preacher, I am not a big fan of religion,[/QUOTE]

Niennor…Neither am I1 LOL! A big fan of religion, to me religion is all about man, their views, beliefs, interpretation and actions based on those beliefs.

Jesus said: “Take up your cross and follow me” I didn’t hear him say; follow the Baptist, follow the Catholics, or The Mormons, well you get the picture…

Every church I see believes THEY have found it, and they are the perfect church living under what they think God wants in a perfect church…will stand their and tell you how what other church is out there is not correct in the way they interpreted what was said in the Bible.

So I shun these entrapments…

I am simple, I just try to follow what I feel is da right thang to do…

After all, I can only speak for my own actions, I can also comment on other actions I see as not being helpful, uplifting, generous, sweet and akin to something I believe God would be pleased with.

So far, these issues we now face are things that I feel I have received confirmation on that are the right things to do.

[The_Preacher]

[QUOTE=frugalannie;6571394]
Preacher, thank you for writing the post about Mr. Dockerey from your special point of view. I wish everyone participating in the horse industry, particularly the younger riders, would read it.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I am hoping and believing the word is out, this culture has been exposed, other grooms, stable hands, shoers, vets, know now that they can be implicated in the actions of someone else. They now understand that they can be held responsible for accessory before or after the facts.

Even Jeff knew when he made that statement of not going to jail for no Jackie that Jackie was doing wrong, and he was a part of it, he just did not know where that line was that kept him outta jail.

Well everyone knows now and understand that they could be next.

[walknsound]

[QUOTE=The Preacher;6572368]
Niennor…Neither am I1 LOL! A big fan of religion, to me religion is all about man, their views, beliefs, interpretation and actions based on those beliefs.

Jesus said: “Take up your cross and follow me” I didn’t hear him say; follow the Baptist, follow the Catholics, or The Mormons, well you get the picture…

Every church I see believes THEY have found it, and they are the perfect church living under what they think God wants in a perfect church…will stand their and tell you how what other church is out there is not correct in the way they interpreted what was said in the Bible.

So I shun these entrapments…

I am simple, I just try to follow what I feel is da right thang to do…

After all, I can only speak for my own actions, I can also comment on other actions I see as not being helpful, uplifting, generous, sweet and akin to something I believe God would be pleased with.

So far, these issues we now face are things that I feel I have received confirmation on that are the right things to do.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, and well said!