[QUOTE=Guilherme;6608851]
Who cares?
The comment that brought up Bundy was stupid from the get-go.
G.[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU.
It was ridiculous and stupid from the start.
TWorld English Dictionary
psychopath (ˈsaɪkəʊˌpæθ)
— n
Also called: sociopath a person afflicted with a personality disorder characterized by a tendency to commit antisocial and sometimes violent acts and a failure to feel guilt for such acts
psycho’pathic
— adj
psycho’pathically
— adv
Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009
Cite This Source
American HeritageMedical Dictionary
psychopath psy·cho·path (sī’kə-pāth’)
n.
A person with an antisocial personality disorder, especially one manifested in perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior.
The American Heritage® Stedman’s Medical Dictionary
Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Cite This Source
The comment that brought up Bundy was not at all stupid, Bundy was a psycopath, and there’s a definate correlation between him and people who abuse the TWH.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;6608851]
Who cares?
The comment that brought up Bundy was stupid from the get-go.
G.[/QUOTE]
Thank you so much for that assessment since I was the one who brought up Bundy in response to your comment about the charm of DesJarlas People can be charming and also evil
I won’t bother to judge your comments. As they say around here “Well bless your heart”
Well Fairfax? I am sure wondering how you came to know him, if indeed you did and do have first hand knowledge of him. Somehow if this is true - knowing that you endured the likes of Bundy in any capacity makes me wonder less about what motivates you to spend time in horse slaughter houses.
ANd I agree with the sociopath/psychopath correlation of abuse of the TWH.
[QUOTE=hurleycane;6608562]
Ok - I will bite - but I am not sure I am ready for the answer…
Fairfax - in what capacity were you when you came tp speak with Ted Bundy?[/QUOTE]
I was a student under the mentoring of Dr. Bill Roberts (recently passed away in Mobile Alabama) and he was an authority on psychopathology and disfunction
I haven’t read any apology from anyone on the slaughter thread…while not a hoax the RARA’s tried to get donations for non existent horses and the trucker brokers doubled the prices on the horses…and a rara claimed she called EU and CFIA and when I was able to disprove her claim AND they were not putting out a press release stopping all slaughter…well…the info came out and it was a confusion that individuals reacted to with no evidence and others made up stories to fit the scene…
Like Mr Obama…they wanted to believe and be thankful to a lady who lied to them but made them feel good.
Guess my truth was too hard for them to handle…and nope…I am not going to use the famous Jack Nicholson line
I truly am above and beyond caring what anyone thinks of me. I have friends and enough I am no longer taking applications.
This thread had a real value tone to it…but then it just became a group of banners…not caring who else was swept onto the street with their one view towards ALL training devices.
I do not support BL however I, equally do not support most of you on this forum.
[QUOTE=hurleycane;6610818]
Well Fairfax? I am sure wondering how you came to know him, if indeed you did and do have first hand knowledge of him. Somehow if this is true - knowing that you endured the likes of Bundy in any capacity makes me wonder less about what motivates you to spend time in horse slaughter houses.
ANd I agree with the sociopath/psychopath correlation of abuse of the TWH.[/QUOTE]
When one has gone back to university for a masters program there are many opportunities. I did not know him and I don’t think anyone did…but I also know the exaggerations and lies projected onto him…mostly by those who were looking to “write the book of the century”
Totally evil…absolutely
Totally likeable…absolutely
THANKS for letting us know this AFTER I bought the biggest roll of aluminum foil that Costco sells
:no:
Fairfax, you have a very important role here in CotH forums.
We just can’t agree on what it is
OMG :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
^ throws a spitwad at hurleycane for bringing Fearfax back to the thread :lol:
LOL! He indeed spares no fondness for the posters here. SO let me see… chains, shackles, boots, slaughter house, Ted Bundy … Psychology Major every time! I should have known.
No hard feelings FairFax. We each choose a path and they are all windy tricky things - no telling whose path you might cross in life. But good thing is we can always move on.
Hey WITW - How’s Roy? ANyone heard from USDA?
“Badges? We ain’t got no badges. We don’t need no badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges.”
These immortal; words were spit out by a very indignant and pissed off bandit wearing a gold hat in the “The Treasures of Sierra Madre” starting Humphrey Bogart, when Bogey asked the bandit to produce proof that he was who he claimed to be.
If you are a fence sitter on the issues of Abuse, Soring and Corruption in the
TWH industry, this story will have you shaking your head and asking yourself “What is wrong with them?”
This is a true story that just happened yesterday morning.
I received this email from one of TWHBEA;’s International Board of Directors.
Good morning:
I didn’t know if you were aware of this meeting.
I am sure that they would like as many as possible to attend.
Joyce Marie Moyer
419-684-5555
From: [email]info@twsho.com[/email] [mailto:info@twsho.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:02 PM
To: [email]info@twsho.com[/email]
Subject: TWSHO Meeting Invite
Tennessee Walking Show Horse Organization (TWSHO) invites you to an Industry State of the Union Presentation
Monday, October 15, 2012
10:00am CST
Blue Ribbon Room
TWHNC Show Grounds
Shelbyville, TN
TWSHO's public affairs firm Purple Strategies will lead a presentation on the current environment of the Tennessee Walking show horse industry and explain the current legal, legislative, and public opinion opposition faced by the industry.
Please RSVP to [email]info@twsho.com[/email] by October 10, 2012 to reserve your seat for the presentation.
Me, being a loyal supporter of the TWH industry felt this might be a good thing to go to, learn and participate in the betterment of our breed and the current hot issues.
Jennie and I sent all our family off last night after celebrating Yurgen’s (Becky’s man, and father of our lil Olivia) birthday, he never has had a birthday party. Had my 3 Georgia grand’s for the last week.
All of the kids here with their significant others, big family time, Jackson called, Becky’s 3 year old son who was kidnapped by the baby’s daddy and taken to California and we are working through the system to get him back, we have not seen him since June. So that was a blessing, its only the second time I heard my little man’s voice since he was taken. We all got to talk to him. Miss that lil goober.
So we are back to empty nest again.
This meeting was to take place yesterday morning, this was a day we also watch Livy, our 4 month old grand. Anyone who knows us from California days knows that having kids, big or small never stopped Jackson’s from being on the move.
So Jennie and I dressed up, me in sports jacket and tie, Jennie, gorgeous as always! Loaded up Livy and drove the 125 miles to Shelbyville, TN and The Celebration grounds.
We were early so we wheeled Livy in her stroller, and sat on the second row, right hand side on the end. The room all of sudden just began to fill with anyone who is anyone for padded horses, everyone! all the heavy hitters were there and then some,~~~~ the front row appeared to be “unspoken, but known and respected by all” reserved from what I determined were the top 6 or 7 trainers.
Warm welcomes and handshakes from Dr. Mullins, and someone who has always shook my hand, smiled and been very kind, respectful and warm to my family , no matter who was around, Mr. Winky Groover.
These two get a bye for this thing today.
So many folks we have known, spoken with and done business with over the 10 years we’ve been here, cast their eyes away when theirs met mine, Jennie said the same for her but she looked and smiled anyway.
Suddenly appearing before me were two dudes, one I recognized as Jeffrey Howard, heir apparent to the Howard fortune, I gotta say this is a goofy looking kid to me, gel’ed spiked hair and always has this stupid looking smirky smile on his face, with an air of entitled mannerism about him he likes to strut around these people.
It was the unfamiliar face looking directly at me that spoke first: “We have to ask you to leave” I looked and quickly accessed that I was not being “Pranked” This dude was serious as a heart attack.
My Bible says this,
“Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger” (Eph 4:26).
I’m racing to beat the sun, might not make it, this may go on for a spell.
There is a axiom called “Righteous Anger” many antagonistic folks are under the mistaken belief that if you profess to be a Christian or just an all around nice person, you are not to afforded the emotions of being pissed off sometimes.
Today I’m gonna preach on righteous anger,. and I pity da fool who’s gonna try and tell me this ain’t about race.
Badges Part 2
Incredulously, I stared at this man standing over me who immediately put me in mind of the scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz. I was taken back almost not unbelieving my ears. But my gut told me this was really happening.
I asked “Who are you?” He said Frank Eicher, then I remembered who he was, we had an earlier confrontation he and I at another meeting similar to this one called “Breed Unity” which the Celebration put on that Jennie and I attended last year, he and I had a public joust, he meant to humiliate me with this great throne of supporters, ~~~~when I finally turned him loose he must of thought he had been in the rink with Muhammad Ali.
I asked him to repeat it, he again says “We are going to have ask you to leave” I asked “why?” He said “because this was a private meeting and you were not invited,” I said “I got an email saying this was a meeting to discuss the issues of the industry.” He said “yes, it is but you are not invited” I repeated I had gotten an email and started to search my phone, he spit out “show me!”
This is when these lines entered my mind ““Badges? We ain’t got no badges. We don’t need no badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges.” But I held my cool, I quietly bent forward and quietly asked him “Are you sure you really want to do this?” the room of about 75 to a 100 people were leaning over like I was EF Hutton.
Total silence, all eyes focused on this little drama over to the side. He said “Yes, I see you out there on the internet trying to destroy the industry, you do not support this breed” Jennie steps up, mind you she’s been in this breed longer than that boy has breathed air, and him in the breed, she says “I’m here to support our breed,” then junior looks straight at me and spit out “No! you have destroyed this whole industry! We don’t want you here!”
Jennie says “I have supported this breed and TWHBEA,” and he said “this ain’t a TWHBEA meeting!” Jennie says, you have walking horses don’tcha? TWHBEA is our breed registry and I love this breed,!”
I pulled up the email and handed him the phone he looked at it started scrolling and said “You were forwarded this email, it was not sent to you because I am the one that sent them out! this is only for board members, do you belong on any board?”
I said “No, but these emails are not just to all of TWHBEA board members, there’s allot of people on here I recognize and out that are here that are on nobody’s board!”
‘Well, they were invited, I said “Man, are really sure you wanna do this?”
He then said “You lied! You said you had gotten an invitation, but it was just forwarded to you, so you lied!” now he was getting red and hot on his fivehead, kids say that when your hair recedes back and instead of a forehead, you got a fivehead).
I said, “This is a public meeting that you invited the public to and I came because I am interested in working on the issues of our industry”, I asked “What are you going to talk about that I you don’t want me to hear?” He again said, “This is a private meeting” I said “Sound more like the Klan to me” He chuckled and said Klan”, yeah just like the Klan”
I said “I’m not leaving, you gonna have call the sheriff’s to have me removed” He said “Interesting”, the left and went to the back of the room, it was then that I wheeled Livy who was on the end of the table to the place I had next to Jennie and I took the end of the table “Gunfighter’s seat” back to the door, eyes on everybody, I said; I gotta keep and eye on these people”
They were back there consulting to big daddy David Howard. Then a gentleman in a white tee shirt, no badges or identification confirming who he said he was stooped down and very quietly asked “Mr. Jackson, can I talk to you outside?” I asked “Who are you?” He said Mark Thompson, head of Celebration Security I said quietly and politely, “Sure, you can”
I was not about to give these people what they were expecting, me acting up like a fool and causing a scene. We packed up the baby and followed him towards the door, again, every eye on me, a lady picks up a mic at the front of the room about ready to start, it was obvious to me they were not gonna start until I was gone.
As I walked out I tried to take a picture of the room, them this dude following me held up his hand over my camera and said “No sir!”, I quietly said to where only he could hear me, “You better get out of my face!”
I walked outside and the security guard said “Mr. Jackson, I am gonna have to ask you to leave” I said no problem and as we were walking away he bade Olivia a good bye and told us to have a nice day. They slammed the door closed.
There is a pattern that seems to happen every time I try to exercise my right to be somewhere, While I was signing Jennie and I in at the door when we first entered the room Frank approached Jennie and Olivia and coo’ed and asked what her name was Jennie said “Olivia, we call her Livy” He said I have a niece named Olivia and we call her “Ollie”
You see things are always cool until they talk to David Howard, it is then they come back to me carrying out his orders, which is always to get rid of me.
I speak now to the, well, now I need to call them all acquaintances in the room, not one stood up and said, “let him stay”
When I look at the old time pictures of lynching, there was always a crowd of men, women and children, standing around this dangling piece of “Strange Fruit” as Billie Holiday called it.
In that room, I was the only person of color and the only one confronted and asked to leave. Jennie a licensed trainer, both of us lifetime members of TWHBEA and a part of this publically held organization of TWHs.
You can not separate me being what the law would call a whistleblower and racism and bigotry, they are intricately intertwined. I had on one of my Viet Nam unit pins on my lapel which I proudly wear, in my thinking, besides paying my dues, I earned my right to be where I wanted to be.
These jive turkeys collectively exposed their true nature, they have no intentions of doing the right thing and change this breed for the better. They act in nefarious ways to find loopholes and things they can get away with to keep these pads and chained horses.
The culture is not one that could be trusted, in my mind to be upright, honest, transparent and compliant. There’s an evil that your heart can discern when you are around it, this room was full of evil vibes.
Think about it folks, what do you think all these lickers were meeting and talking about that they did not want me there? Any answers?
In my and Jennie’s thinking this was racism and bigotry in its truest form.
God don’t like ugly ~~~ and this was very ugly.
The Preacher
And you were very brave to be there Preacher. It is and always has been a very ugly place.
Preacher, you rock. Thank you for everything you do. I speak not as a TWH owner, because I’m not. But I do care mightily about the breed and the horrible mistreatment associated with the Big Lick. Wanted to say God bless you but he already has. Rock on.
I had seen the invitation a while back and it seemed like an open invitation. I was thinking about that meeting all day yesterday, wondering who would attend and if any of the attendees would disclose what happened behind those closed doors. You showed up and reminded them of who and what they are. If you had RSVPd i think you would have been turned down and saved some gas. My heart goes out to you for maintaining your composure amid the downcast eyes. The eyes are the window to the soul and these people cannot stand the scrutiny thus the downcast eyes. Thanks again for trying to do right for the TWH.
Stay tuned for Purple Stategies glowing report of all the constructive ideas tossed around in the meeting. SSDD
I’m so sorry yha’ll got treated that way Preacher, but not surprising. You are a very dangerous man to them, and they fear you. Obviously their agenda was to plan, lay out their new strategy, .which they no way wanted you to know. I know you’ll dust off your britches, go again for the TWH. God bless.
Why should this meeting be any different than anything else they do? In private where no one can watch. What a bunch of cowards. Ugly is as Ugly does.
[QUOTE=CFFarm;6611733]
Why should this meeting be any different than anything else they do? In private where no one can watch. What a bunch of cowards. Ugly is as Ugly does.[/QUOTE]
So true!
Preacher, i think of the Clint Eastwood movie,Pale Rider.
you can drop the names of the trainers in the room,cause HOWARD owns them all to some degree or other.
as far as Winky please.he’s in up to his eyeballs.
that meeting is just something that tells me they are really really WORRIED.
they don’t know who called the 1-800 number folks 10k is still in play. even family members could call,they (BL) do fight among themselves ya know.
Mornin;
Thank you all, I don’t go to these things seeking to cause anything, or to over inflate my ego, (as I am told I do for the attention) there was something that Roy Exum said that really surprised me at how I would feel about myself.
He spoke of how in Viet Nam I saved Americans lives, and then connected that to how I care about these animals, I have never in my life ever heard anyone speak about me like he did, I was embarrassed, I felt naked and everybody was looking at me. he didn’t interview me, he put all that together and didn’t say a word to me, very astute observation on his part.
I do care, God made me who I am and sent me through the schools of always being the minority in all things I did, I believe just to prepare me for this battle.
Each of us has a battle inside of us that was created just for you to deal with, how you deal with is on you and you alone. The job will get done, if you refuse to take up your position and deal with it, God will find someone else, but He gave it to you…
These horses and the way they are treated happens to be my battle, and whether I or you get support, should not dictate whether or not you should continue. Not all things are to be done with assistance from someone else.
Can you stand alone in your battle?, Will you see it to the point that it is either handed off to someone else, or it’s conclusion? I have found some things are compartmentalized, meaning, your role in it may just be a part of the whole, kinda like a assembly line, you put on tires, that’s all you do, unless you are moved to another position.
there are warriors on here I draw strength from ~~~ I don’t always post, but I lurk and read ~~~ those who have established your position, on both sides! have honed your argument to a fine point, and you gained that strength from here and you will find yourself applying that strength elsewhere in your life, surprising even your own self at how you were able to with confidence deal with the situation before you.
I posted yesterday on my FB page
Dear God;
I am glad you made my skin black, I just wish you’d made it thicker.
blessings
The Preacher
