[QUOTE=cordial;6809952]
I never implied that our padded horse could do side-passages…I said our pleasure horses. By the way the Golf Coast Horse in Florida in April is back on again.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Walking Horse Trainers Assoc. (WHTA) is sponsoring the show. Their board of directors is a stellar bunch. Not much different from the TWHNC mob. It is a beautiful venue. Glad the USDA folks will get a chance to go there.
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6809983]
Yes, Walking Horse Trainers Assoc. (WHTA) is sponsoring the show. Their board of directors is a stellar bunch. Not much different from the TWHNC mob. It is a beautiful venue. Glad the USDA folks will get a chance to go there.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, the Government boys love a paid vacation in Florida on the beach…paid for by the taxpayers. lol,lol
You know Cordial, you complain about G. being rude to you, yet you were the one who said after G. was ‘very wrong’ after G. had commented about twh riders using hand not leg and seat.
There’s no need to just be rude for the sake of starting an argument, its not like G. was singling you out. Sure, not every twh is ridden with mainly hand, but the majority of the ones you see ARE
If yours aren’t that’s great.
[QUOTE=Thoro;6810003]
You know Cordial, you complain about G. being rude to you, yet you were the one who said after G. was ‘very wrong’ after G. had commented about twh riders using hand not leg and seat.
There’s no need to just be rude for the sake of starting an argument, its not like G. was singling you out. Sure, not every twh is ridden with mainly hand, but the majority of the ones you see ARE
If yours aren’t that’s great.[/QUOTE
Mine are not just ridden by hands and arms…I work very hard at that as that is much more diffucult than you think… Our trainer is a real “Bug” about keeping a horse in Frame, using and feeling your seat under you, and using leg pressure when necessary. If I get too heavy handed I get told that and I back off.
I’ve seen alot of shows over the last 21 years, and I can’t believe that the majority of TWH are ridden with just hands. I have seen some wonderful riders, and too be honest…alot of them are woman. Some have wonderful equation. I can’t judge riders by watching You Tube. I see them in person at shows and seeing other riders at the various barns when they are having a lesson, or working their various horses.!
[QUOTE=katarine;6809237]
This gelding is the most naturally gaited horse I own.
Notice he has normal shoes, nothing ‘gaited’ or weird.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/susanpr/8408639017/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/susanpr/8409738420/
this stepping under shot ( I think) shows how the angles can work together to create a deep reach -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/susanpr/8408648621/[/QUOTE]
Nice horse! Do you do dressage with him or a different walker?
[QUOTE=cordial;6809995]
Ah yes, the Government boys love a paid vacation in Florida on the beach…paid for by the taxpayers. lol,lol[/QUOTE]
So… you think its funny that WE taxpayers have to pay for the mess the Lickers have made ? Why is that funny ? 
You ending your posts with laughter is a bit of an improvement over calling us idiots then wishing us a good holiday, but equally strange.
[QUOTE=cordial;6810073]
[QUOTE=Thoro;6810003]You know Cordial, you complain about G. being rude to you, yet you were the one who said after G. was ‘very wrong’ after G. had commented about twh riders using hand not leg and seat.
There’s no need to just be rude for the sake of starting an argument, its not like G. was singling you out. Sure, not every twh is ridden with mainly hand, but the majority of the ones you see ARE
If yours aren’t that’s great.[/QUOTE
Mine are not just ridden by hands and arms…I work very hard at that as that is much more diffucult than you think… Our trainer is a real “Bug” about keeping a horse in Frame, using and feeling your seat under you, and using leg pressure when necessary. If I get too heavy handed I get told that and I back off.
I’ve seen alot of shows over the last 21 years, and I can’t believe that the majority of TWH are ridden with just hands. I have seen some wonderful riders, and too be honest…alot of them are woman. Some have wonderful equation. I can’t judge riders by watching You Tube. I see them in person at shows and seeing other riders at the various barns when they are having a lesson, or working their various horses.![/QUOTE]
Good to hear!
I also don’t usually watch youtube, but a lot of the riders I see use a lot of hand, and are practically on their horses loins, and hunched. Just not good…
[QUOTE=cordial;6810073]
[QUOTE=Thoro;6810003]You know Cordial, you complain about G. being rude to you, yet you were the one who said after G. was ‘very wrong’ after G. had commented about twh riders using hand not leg and seat.
There’s no need to just be rude for the sake of starting an argument, its not like G. was singling you out. Sure, not every twh is ridden with mainly hand, but the majority of the ones you see ARE
If yours aren’t that’s great.[/QUOTE
Mine are not just ridden by hands and arms…I work very hard at that as that is much more diffucult than you think… Our trainer is a real “Bug” about keeping a horse in Frame, using and feeling your seat under you, and using leg pressure when necessary. If I get too heavy handed I get told that and I back off.
I’ve seen alot of shows over the last 21 years, and I can’t believe that the majority of TWH are ridden with just hands. I have seen some wonderful riders, and too be honest…alot of them are woman. Some have wonderful equation. I can’t judge riders by watching You Tube. I see them in person at shows and seeing other riders at the various barns when they are having a lesson, or working their various horses.![/QUOTE]
Good to hear!
I also don’t usually watch youtube, but a lot of the riders I see use a lot of hand, and are practically on their horses loins, and hunched. Just not good…
[QUOTE=cordial;6809976]
I appreciate your kind words, but because we own a padded horse the haters will never believe …even if I post a million pictures, that I am saying the truth. I am surprised that they don’t blash you for your dressage efforts. MY trainer also works in a little dressage with all her TWH clients…she just does alot of things that some trainers don’t bother with.
I know that there are other TWH posters on here that have Padded horses, and flat-shod for that matter, but don’t come on here anymore because of the bashing that they receive… I an due to go in and get my knee relolplaced in one week. When I am able to ride again, and the weather gets better I will get some videos. I might even throw one in of our wonderful padded horse. Then you watch them scream!!! LOL[/QUOTE]
Your pride in your horse abuse is typical of lickers. For the sake of argument, let’s say there is no use of caustic substances, chains and the like. Just stacks. STILL ABUSIVE.
[QUOTE=cordial;6809995]
Ah yes, the Government boys love a paid vacation in Florida on the beach…paid for by the taxpayers. lol,lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah, LOL LOL that sick abusive lickers just won’t stop. Maybe if you had to pay for the ref out of your own pockets, maybe you might stop. LOL LOL
[QUOTE=cordial;6809799]
Just because you don’t see it in your so-called video’s doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen.[/QUOTE]
The sales videos are not imaginary. An excellent example of how to hinder a horse’s gaits by hand riding in the majority of them. A shame.
Most of the riders look like they have no clue on how to use seat or leg in any case.
I will confess that I’m more tolerant of errant behavior in an equine than I am in a humine. If that’s “mean spirited” then I’m guilty as charged.
Still, when claims are made that I feel are beyond ordinary, physical limits as I understand them then I’m skeptical and might challenge the maker of those claims to support them. So far we’ve seen no support for the claims made by Cordial. Publicly available video and in-person evidence suggests my analysis of the “mainstream” of Walker/Racker/SSH equitation practices (particularly in the show ring and especially with the Big Lick horses) is spot on. So far I’ve not drawn any conclusions from that lack of support. I can’t control what others might draw.
G.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;6810558]
I will confess that I’m more tolerant of errant behavior in an equine than I am in a humine. If that’s “mean spirited” then I’m guilty as charged.
Still, when claims are made that I feel are beyond ordinary, physical limits as I understand them then I’m skeptical and might challenge the maker of those claims to support them. So far we’ve seen no support for the claims made by Cordial. Publicly available video and in-person evidence suggests my analysis of the “mainstream” of Walker/Racker/SSH equitation practices (particularly in the show ring and especially with the Big Lick horses) is spot on. So far I’ve not drawn any conclusions from that lack of support. I can’t control what others might draw.
G.[/QUOTE]
You my Dear, may draw any… conclusions that you want too. Our horses are not sored or abused…quite the opposite. I know the truth and anybody that knows us and our horses would back that up!!! I don’t give a damn what you think.
[QUOTE=gogaitedgo;6810141]
Yeah, LOL LOL that sick abusive lickers just won’t stop. Maybe if you had to pay for the ref out of your own pockets, maybe you might stop. LOL LOL[/QUOTE]
AND ON WHAT FACTS DO YOU FEEL THAT i AM AN ABUSER…PLEASE EXPLAIN…THAT IS IF YOU CAN1
gogaitedgo - Dont take the bait.
cordial - Ask the AVMA, AAEP, USDA, and USEF what they consider abusive “training” practices in TWHville. :yes:
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6811503]
gogaitedgo - Dont take the bait.
cordial - Ask the AVMA, AAEP, USDA, and USEF what they consider abusive “training” practices in TWHville. :yes:[/QUOTE]
I am fully aware of what the AVMA (I have a daughte who is a graduate of Vet school),AAEP,USDA,nad Usef stand for. I couldn’t agree more with them on the position they take, and I am all for the clean, sound horse, so what is your problem with me. I have clean, sound unabused horses, sowhat is your “beef” with me??? HUH
[QUOTE=cordial;6811381]
AND ON WHAT FACTS DO YOU FEEL THAT i AM AN ABUSER…PLEASE EXPLAIN…THAT IS IF YOU CAN1[/QUOTE]
SO answer the question???
[QUOTE=cordial;6812285]
I am fully aware of what the AVMA (I have a daughte who is a graduate of Vet school),AAEP,USDA,nad Usef stand for. I couldn’t agree more with them on the position they take, and I am all for the clean, sound horse, so what is your problem with me. I have clean, sound unabused horses, sowhat is your “beef” with me??? HUH[/QUOTE]
I think the ‘beef’ with you is that you say you don’t care what the people on here think of you, then why are you here to argue every little point? To try to pick fights and not act’cordial’ at all? To rail that we don’t know what we’re talking about?
We all disagree on things, but that doesn’t mean you have to pick and be rude about it. I guaruntee if you are, you are going to get it right back at you.
I personally have no ‘beef’ with you, but you have been snitty to others.
[QUOTE=cordial;6812285]
I am fully aware of what the AVMA (I have a daughte who is a graduate of Vet school),AAEP,USDA,nad Usef stand for. I couldn’t agree more with them on the position they take, and I am all for the clean, sound horse, so what is your problem with me. I have clean, sound unabused horses, sowhat is your “beef” with me??? HUH[/QUOTE]
Great to hear you agree with them! I assume that means you no longer have a stacked horse? http://m.aaep.org/press_room.php?id=487
[QUOTE=Guilherme;6809150]
No, not really! 
A horse with a very lateral gait and any overstride will often have a rear leg slightly longer than might be considered “normal.” This is not a conformation defect if the leg is normally shaped and properly attached to the hip. This will give the impression of being built “downhill” but, again, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. As long as it’s a fully functional part of the whole horse I don’t see any issues. If the leg is not well attached or if, as is common, is “sickle hocked” then you’ve got a serious flaw. A crooked leg is not as strong as a straight leg (“straight” here meaning the leg has proper articulations). The bent hock actually is an advantage in over stride and that is an advantage in some gaits. But the bent leg will break down sooner that the straight leg and the horse’s performance career will likely be shorter.
The conformational differences of a gaited horse vs. a trotting horse will be few and subtle. Just what they might be will be determined by breed (what does the breed standard require) and by way of going. A lateral gait might well have some differences to a more diagonal gait. But, again, these differences will be subtle. And in no case should they be outright flaws, like sickle hocks.
G.[/QUOTE]
I agreed with most of what you said, but I did want to point out that ‘overstride’ is misunderstood by most people. A horse with good overstride literally steps bigger or longer with its hind legs in its walk. So a crooked leg will give the appearance of a ‘deep’ step behind. People will get all giddy and say, “look, Sir Stacksalot is stepping deep and has a lot of overstride. See how far he steps past his front feet?” When in reality he is also coming off the ground sooner behind, thanks to that same crooked leg. He has no more overstride than a clean legged horse-- his stride just happens further under his body for mechanical reasons. And because he is crooked legged, no matter what his hind leg stride is (long or short) its not going to hold up to years of use thanks to his poor conformation.
Long story short-- a crooked hind leg only creates the illusion of overstride. It has no true affect on the overall length of that hind step.
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