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SO answer the question???[/QUOTE]
[edit] YOU HAVE A HORSE ON STACKS. THAT IS ABUSIVE. Do you need diagrams?
It is so tempting to stoke the stacker fire - but I won’t. But neat-o to think about how passing HR6388 will give someone a fine opportunity to use their cool leg and seat aides to do a little side passing with a soon to be no longered encumbered stacked horse.
Great comment Shansurri. And there are quite a few people that need to really take this info to heart - and not all those people are stacked folks either. Cause there are so called sound people out there that think and breed for the sickle hocked horse with the idea it is what creates overstride and that it is what gives the TWH its walk. Sad thing is, as I read and hear them - these same people think “others” do not understand the TWH when their severely sickle hocked horse is excused from judging. Oh they sure do raise a stink about the judges being ignorant…
BTW here is another cool thing to consider about horse footprintology - if you are only reading footprints, a pace has tremendous overstride.
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[edit]YOU HAVE A HORSE ON STACKS. THAT IS ABUSIVE. Do you need diagrams?[/QUOTE]
[edit] Yes, we have a 22 year old horse on stacks…still in the show ring and still sound. No, I don’t need a diagram. I understand the process, and no the stacks aren’t abusive!
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It is so tempting to stoke the stacker fire - but I won’t. But neat-o to think about how passing HR6388 will give someone a fine opportunity to use their cool leg and seat aides to do a little side passing with a soon to be no longered encumbered stacked horse.
Great comment Shansurri. And there are quite a few people that need to really take this info to heart - and not all those people are stacked folks either. Cause there are so called sound people out there that think and breed for the sickle hocked horse with the idea it is what creates overstride and that it is what gives the TWH its walk. Sad thing is, as I read and hear them - these same people think “others” do not understand the TWH when their severely sickle hocked horse is excused from judging. Oh they sure do raise a stink about the judges being ignorant…
BTW here is another cool thing to consider about horse footprintology - if you are only reading footprints, a pace has tremendous overstride.[/QUOTE]
If by anychance you are referring to me, that when the “stacks” are removed that I will be able to do side-passes and use my seat and leg-aids on an ex-padded horse. He is sound and smart eough to learn to do that, but I think total retirement will be in his future as along as he will live!!! He has been a wonderful horse and he will get the “bestest” retirement!!
hurleycane - you are a treasure. Always bringing the thread back to topic and throwing out interesting things to discuss or think about. It SHOULD be about what is good for the horse. My guy is a bit - not drastically - but a bit sickle hocked. I was told (and bought into) that is how good walkers are built. I dont stress him out much. We just go through the woods or putz around with obstacle stuff. I ride quiet and the only time he gets sweaty (other than under the saddle) is if its a real hot humid day. He needs to last for me ! I used to enjoy riding for hours but prefer now to keep my rides to under three hours.
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I am fully aware of what the AVMA (I have a daughte who is a graduate of Vet school),AAEP,USDA,nad Usef stand for. I couldn’t agree more with them on the position they take, and I am all for the clean, sound horse, so what is your problem with me. I have clean, sound unabused horses, sowhat is your “beef” with me??? HUH[/QUOTE]
cordial you cant have it both ways - either you agree with the stand the AVMA, AAEP, USDA and USEF have taken - OR - you support Big Lick horses. You are talking in circles. We believe that you have not personally sored your horse. But that is not the point. The above mentioned groups have taken a stand against stacked and chained horses. So although you said you did, you dont agree with them.
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[edit] Yes, we have a 22 year old horse on stacks…still in the show ring and still sound. No, I don’t need a diagram. I understand the process, and no the stacks aren’t abusive![/QUOTE]
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Yes, stacks are abusive so no, you obviously don’t understand the process. How long you going to torture that horse?
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Yes, stacks are abusive so no, you obviously don’t understand the process. How long you going to torture that horse?[/QUOTE]
[edit] We will probably retire him this Spring when the weather is nice and he can be turned out. The ONLY problem…is [edit]…many padded horses when retired and turned out during the day in a pasture are very unhappy and don’t adjust well to their new life. I could tell you alot of stories about that, but you would only find a way to call me brainless, or some other name, so I’ll close for the night and have a great week-end.
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[edit] We will probably retire him this Spring when the weather is nice and he can be turned out. The ONLY problem…is [edit]…many padded horses when retired and turned out during the day in a pasture are very unhappy and don’t adjust well to their new life. I could tell you alot of stories about that, but you would only find a way to call me brainless, or some other name, so I’ll close for the night and have a great week-end.[/QUOTE]
AND again you will skip out on the fact you say you agree with the avma, etc. THEN WHY DO YOU HAVE A STACKED HORSE? ( not padded, those things are NOT there for padding ie. Protection, cushioning, they are STACKS)
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[edit] Yes, we have a 22 year old horse on stacks…still in the show ring and still sound. No, I don’t need a diagram. I understand the process, and no the stacks aren’t abusive![/QUOTE]
Why don’t you explain to the uninitiated the 5Ws of stacking up a horse? You defend the practice so I presume you are knowledgeable in it’s practical application. You might address at what age a horse should be put into the stacks; why they work; why what they do is not harmful; and at what age they should be removed, if ever.
G.
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[edit] We will probably retire him this Spring when the weather is nice and he can be turned out. The ONLY problem…is [edit]…many padded horses when retired and turned out during the day in a pasture are very unhappy and don’t adjust well to their new life. I could tell you alot of stories about that, but you would only find a way to call me brainless, or some other name, so I’ll close for the night and have a great week-end.[/QUOTE]
This is why there is no reason for me or any other to enter into a discussion with you about stacks. You tell the abuse of your own horse better than anyone else can explain it to you and still you do not see. Even when your own words ring of the truth you twist it into a fairy tale of a horse who is only capable of being content if he is stacked in a stall.
You have a day of enlightenment coming, and it is going to be a deep painful searing remorse you will feel within you when you come to face that day. SO painful that you will not be able to speak of it. Instead you will speak of haters who did not understand and you will shut yourself away again in your world of false beliefs with the two other people who indulge you in your made up world.
Even though futile - there is one thing I want to discuss about the ‘stories you could tell’ of those retired turned out horses or even the one you probably won’t tell of your own horse. What I hope you consider is whatever the panic or anguish that newly turned out old horse exhibits - no matter how bad it seems - it is just a fraction of the anguish that horse really went through twenty some years ago when some one first nailed those heinous stacks on and stuck him in that dank concrete stall.
Can you imagine the how maddening the loss of his freedom was for the the horse? Can you imagine being so athletic and bounding one day and then jacked up and shut up in a stall to be petted and sat upon by some delusional lipsticked perfumed eyelined woman or sweaty ole club carrying lard the rest of your once beautiful sun filled days?? And to be made to stumble over feet that once carried you without effort…
Can you imagine the loss?
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I am fully aware of what the AVMA (I have a daughte who is a graduate of Vet school),AAEP,USDA,nad Usef stand for. I couldn’t agree more with them on the position they take, and I am all for the clean, sound horse, so what is your problem with me. I have clean, sound unabused horses, sowhat is your “beef” with me??? HUH[/QUOTE]
Let me get this straight. You agree with the above orgs. that stacking should be banned but want to keep showing YOUR horse this way. Everyone else’s horses’ are being abused by stacking but not yours? Interesting…
Sorry, I got off track. Back to the good fight.
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Let me get this straight. You agree with the above orgs. that stacking should be banned but want to keep showing YOUR horse this way. Everyone else’s horses’ are being abused by stacking but not yours? Interesting…
Sorry, I got off track. Back to the good fight.[/QUOTE]
I will come on here for the last time, and try once more to explain to how I feell. I do agree with the AVMA, and all of the other groups, and if they manage to get rid of the pads …I am okay with that, and even if they don’t get rid of the pads…we will never buy another padded up horse. My husband loves them…he has had his for a long time, but realizes the Stigma attached to them, and if and when he gets another one it will be a flat-shod show horse Our padded horse has beenan Ambassador for the breed in the area we live, and has been veey popular with people who don’t even like padded horses, but because of his talent and great personality. Nothing he likes better then to show. BUT, I think we will retire him soon…whether the USDA gets the pads and chains this summer or not My personal opinion is that they will get them soon or later, but NOT this summer. So that leaves us with one already retired trail pleasure horse, one young park horse, one 23 year old (not retired yet) very good lite-shod horse. Sorry if we’all think I speak in circles, but I am actually more on your page then you realize…but I wil not come on here any more and try and defend our padded horse. It just isn’t worth it. You all keep up the good fight, and don’t answer my email anymore.
Bye, bye Cordial!
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I will come on here for the last time, and try once more to explain to how I feell. I do agree with the AVMA, and all of the other groups, and if they manage to get rid of the pads …I am okay with that, and even if they don’t get rid of the pads…we will never buy another padded up horse. My husband loves them…he has had his for a long time, but realizes the Stigma attached to them, and if and when he gets another one it will be a flat-shod show horse Our padded horse has beenan Ambassador for the breed in the area we live, and has been veey popular with people who don’t even like padded horses, but because of his talent and great personality. Nothing he likes better then to show. BUT, I think we will retire him soon…whether the USDA gets the pads and chains this summer or not My personal opinion is that they will get them soon or later, but NOT this summer. So that leaves us with one already retired trail pleasure horse, one young park horse, one 23 year old (not retired yet) very good lite-shod horse. Sorry if we’all think I speak in circles, but I am actually more on your page then you realize…but I wil not come on here any more and try and defend our padded horse. It just isn’t worth it. You all keep up the good fight, and don’t answer my email anymore.[/QUOTE]
I won’t miss your insane, circuitous neuron firing that passes as thinking for you. You and your husband are vile clumps of smegma.
hurleycane - your post #3644 paints such a picture. For a moment i was that 14 month old colt, locked in a stall with “new shoes” that were strange and clumsy, wondering when they would let me out to run with my pasturemates. Like all prisoners, the reality of my new life would be revealed as the months passed… and i would comply and make the best of it.
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I won’t miss your insane, circuitous neuron firing that passes as thinking for you. You and your husband are vile clumps of smegma.[/QUOTE]
I’m not known for being very “touchy feeley” in posting but this is really out of line.
G.
Yeah its not always good to post whats on our minds. :mad: Ive had to erase a few posts in these last months.
We’ve edited/removed some recent posts due to inappropriate commentary and responses to it.
Please avoid personal insults when discussing topics, regardless of how passionate your feelings.
Thanks,
Mod 1
A couple of questions.
First, cordial, who is your trainer? Would you please tell us? Or is there someone on here who has found out who his/her trainer is?
Second, why is it that every single person who has stacked horses says THEIR horses are completely sound, but we still see hundreds of HPA violations every year? I’m not talking about rulebook violations–I’m talking about scars, foreign substances, etc.
It reminds me of the movie Shawshank Redemption, when Red asks Andy what he’s in for, and Andy says murder, but he’s innocent.
Red: You’re gonna fit right in. Everyone in here is innocent, you know that? Heywood, what you in here for?
Heywood: Didn’t do it. Lawyer f***ed me.
