Anyone with decent vision and a clue could see that much, easy. The tape being dark? Well- duh- it’s likely to be electrical tape. Sure, you can buy it in pink, but really? That’s impossible?
FlairFlax is just pissed that no one’s taking him seriously. Again.
Where is AARpaso?
Hope you are OK and all is well.
aarpaso will be back very soon. puter problems being resolved.
Fairfax is practicing for when they are going to go after the Saddlebreds. :lol:
Oh I feel like pot stirring. I hope they do after the Saddlebreds and the Arabians and the Morgans and the stock horses. I hope they go after them all. I hope they stop the showing of WEANLINGS on wedged and weighted shoes. Now that is crime if there ever was one. Blech! Modern breed shows have been nothing if not detrimental to the very breeds they represent. They are only for ego driven sociopaths. Take that FF.
The message against soring is great. The holding those accountable is great. The problem is…when others want to feel important they "appear’ to invent stories to support the crowd. That isn’t needed here. The cause is worthy for the TWH.
jI just doubted the sequence of events and the detail…as seen from a road…going by driving a vehicle.
Stay on your message.
As for Sunridge…Mary…you have been bitter against all the breeds as long as I have read your posts. I remember when you posted on TROT that your Dad’s breeding program was not accepted and could not win due to their bloodlines (not the current ones) and you were not with a BN stable. I don’t remember you from Arabs so I have no idea what your involvement was.
Many support your disgust towards “clown” shoes so you are not alone.
With all of the claims and counter claims against Country divisions in flat show TWH’s I would be concerned that show secretaries will just drop all TWH classes. I believe that would be a shame. I am not sure what the solution will be.
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Oh I feel like pot stirring. I hope they do after the Saddlebreds and the Arabians and the Morgans and the stock horses. I hope they go after them all. I hope they stop the showing of WEANLINGS on wedged and weighted shoes. Now that is crime if there ever was one. Blech! Modern breed shows have been nothing if not detrimental to the very breeds they represent. They are only for ego driven sociopaths. Take that FF.[/QUOTE]
Right on!
LOL SR1.
FF does get wrapped up in the dogma and personal swipes on this and the “other” issue. Have not read his stuff in a while and still it reads the same on any topic.
But I will again offer the counter point that TWH has great potential for full USEF acceptance (and therefore some legitimacy) with NWHA. And IMO there is not a fat chance in hell that the TWH fans are gonna lose enthusiasm or confidence because a stack, chain etc enters the dust bin.
And the Arabians, Morgans and Saddlebreds - with their USEF membership - well, my guess is they are all weighing the merits of the methods and uses of their horses within the context of the TWH happenings and pressures.
A real Martha Stewart era for the American horse for sure.
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Oh I feel like pot stirring. I hope they do after the Saddlebreds and the Arabians and the Morgans and the stock horses. I hope they go after them all. I hope they stop the showing of WEANLINGS on wedged and weighted shoes. Now that is crime if there ever was one. Blech! Modern breed shows have been nothing if not detrimental to the very breeds they represent. They are only for ego driven sociopaths. Take that FF.[/QUOTE]
YES!
You know FF in all my online years you have never, ever gotten any facts straight about me or my program or anyone else for that matter. NOT. ONE. SINGLE. TIME. Which is precisely why I don’t trust ANYTHING you write. You shoulda been a politician instead of a horse/dog trader.
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…As for Sunridge…Mary…you have been bitter against all the breeds as long as I have read your posts. I remember when you posted on TROT that your Dad’s breeding program was not accepted and could not win due to their bloodlines (not the current ones) and you were not with a BN stable…[/QUOTE]
So you are saying she said that her Dad’s breeding program did not have the current popular bloodlines ? That is not necessarily a bad thing - except in the show ring. Americans have fouled up numerous breeds of horses AND dogs for the show ring. There has been damage done to the natural running walk in our TWHs. Who knows how many generations it will take to get that good gait back. Hopefully a next current popular bloodlines will produce headshaking, ear flopping, teeth clacking, runwalking sonofaguns.
Tying the rail and riding papers… Happens all the time. Except the time my horse won of course. THAT judge was incredible and stood on no man’s shoulders. LOL
As a dog and horse breeder lets take a look at your rebuttal.
Anyone can breed what ever line they want. If they do that, then they must be prepared to spend MONEY and promote and extoll the virtues.
They also present these lines as an opportunity for vigor and outcrossing for the “regular lines”
There are many, who breed horsess or dogs who do not care about the heritage nor the use. They are ribbon chasers. They do get into positions where their opinions become “the new standard” as we have all seen. Example…Afghan Hound Club of U.S. changing the standard for color to try and impede Sunny Shay of Grandeur Kennels from winning…circal 1950’s-60’s.
Afghan Hounds in Canada were BIG HAIRY Black Masked Red/blondes who clunked around the ring…AND THEY WON…I brought in a “different strain” called Bell Murray and they were BLACK, could truly move out…were smaller and typier…I fought against ALL ODDS…however…over a period of several years and lots of advertising…I started to win against the big guys…
It can be done.
Mary…has always stated they did not have the finaces to go big time. Sadly…that IS what shows are all about… MONEY…If you don’t have any…don’t complain about the shows…find other ways to extoll your lines virtues.
People are fickle. The FIRST big time moving TWH that is flat shod and can bob as you stated THAT WINS…will create a buzz and those who are BL’ers will dash towards them…
It is about perception. Make it GLAMOUR to have flat shod big movers…it there are ten that you know of…ALL of you enter the same show…safety in numbers and also the judge will see they are NOT the exception…and will start to pin them accordingly.
Change takes a long long long time and is costly…especially for the show ring.
Do a major fund raiser…sponsor a class with a Ten thousand dollar award for natural…not sore AND absolutely NO skin or hair ripples on the legs showing they may have been sored…create a new buzz and opportunity…
It can be done with lots of time…volunteer work…and money as the incentive in the show ring
As for Sunridge…I am sure her horses were lovely…but the lines they were from CAN produce horses that look like Missouri plow horses…I know…I had one. Great thinker…just not Ms. America…more along the lines of Ms Hutterite…
Once again you have zero idea what you’re talking about. Your references are just plain wrong, I never had any Kalu breeding. My stallion was a typey as they come. You can’t ride the heads anyway. Those pretty heads don’t have much brains. I don’t like dumb animals any more than dumb people. The modern ASB breeding is just as flawed as the TWH. I know that Afghans are NOT known for brains and neither are the heavily bred Sultan horses, I’ve had those too. Pretty they were but dumber than fenceposts.
ff you still do not read nor understand most posts.
You continue to infer there is no support of the flat shod TWH.
You miss out on a lot of good stuff. And your posts read like a dinner guest telling someone how good the appetizer of a meal was when the dessert plates are being cleared for cocktails.
You is waaaay behind and out of step.
Mary… dumb afghans…sorry…have many CD’s and lure champions to dispute that. IF you knew about the breed you would understand they are a sight hound…they see a cat two blocks away…and they focus on it FOR THE KILL…therefore they do NOT listen and comeback unless they have been specifically trained with in CD etc (Utility) to do so.
I did not mention Kalu breeding. I happen to like the line due to the talent…you can tell a trainer not worth his/her salt…first words…I Hate Kalu lines…they are tough and they do think and they can do what is asked…but they require a true trainer.
I expect the same occurs in the TWH…there are talented lines the trainer have discouraged as they take longer and won’t take crap.
I have a wonderful Sultan line stallion who has a great thinking process as do his offspring so one should go individual by individual. I do know what I am talking about as everything I posted…in reference to you…is what you have stated on TROT over the years. YOU complained your Dad’s lines could not win…and that the breed and the breeders were wrong in not breeding OTHER types.
With the TWH …I am starting to underestand that pacey has become a problem against the true movement…there will be breeders who still have that “old time correct movement” so maybe it is time for the new enthusiast to seek out those breeders…acquire some horses…
If, as some have claimed…there are NO MORE true movers…then I guess the breed is doomed…but I bet that is not the case.
Not the case is correct. And there is plenty of enthusiastic $upport for the TWH.
You need a new drum to bang, FF
I have read the postive comments but then BOTH sides also claim THOSE horses are sored for the ring.
I KNOW there is support…but many, including the flat shod supporters claim there are very few true moving TWH’s…they have been bred out and pacey has overtaken as they are easier to train for an incorrect movement…you now see in the ring.
IF they are out there in abundance…then a group of you need to attend shows and let spectators see them…just one or two at a show has no impact.
I don’t think it is my reading comprehension…but the views of the posters I am reflecting
Maybe a nice well bred flat shod TWH?
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