Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

Wow. I didn’t realize I had so much influence as to “tip” a thread with over 3800 posts in a different direction. Threads have a life of their own and ebb and flow. Some get darn silly or nasty. This one has managed to actually stay pretty much on topic because we care so much.

That particular post was in reflection of someone who seemed to think that having champion horses meant that their horses were happy and sound. Or even the best horse in the class. I could have just as easily posted about a dressage or hunter/jumper competition. Sorry if I side tracked anyone. Or touched a nerve. Carry on, the horses still hurt.

[QUOTE=gogaitedgo;6849085]
How hard is it to recognize evil? How many times does it have to be proven that animal abusers also abuse people? The solution is simple. It’s already illegal. It’s easy to identify. Prosecute and fine them till they don’t have a pot to piss in. Goes without saying no stack classes, ever again.[/QUOTE]

I’ve got no problems recognizing evil; I used to do it for a living.

One thing I learned in that is that if you don’t fully recognize it (it’s roots, motivations, as well as current manifestation) then you won’t but half do the job in dealing with it.

Your passion is obvious. Perhaps you should consider tempering that passion with some thought.

G.

[QUOTE=Guilherme;6849190]
I’ve got no problems recognizing evil; I used to do it for a living.

One thing I learned in that is that if you don’t fully recognize it (it’s roots, motivations, as well as current manifestation) then you won’t but half do the job in dealing with it.

Your passion is obvious. Perhaps you should consider tempering that passion with some thought.

G.[/QUOTE]

Well la di dah. Please, please tell me where I went wrong.

Seems to me the egghead types and the entire justice system has been working diligently on finding just the right study to stop evil. Decades of money wasted. You do NOT have to understand why little jackie is a psychopath. You just have to take away his farm and put him in a cage.

I happen to agree that these people aren’t necessarily evil. I guess it comes down to what the definition of evil is. Soring is a way of life to them. It’s just as normal as putting on their shoes to go out to the barn. They truly have no clue how to train a horse any other way. It’s one reason why all of this is so threatening to them–these are people who can’t just switch breeds and still make a living because soring is all they know.

However, we do know that animal abuse leads to people abuse. These people are abusive to each other, and it’s a game to them. Your horse wins against his; he’ll shake your hand and congratulate you but at the next show pay the DQP to ticket your horse. Then you do it to him at the next show. It’s all the same to them.

We’re looking at a culture of abuse. It is the same as dog fighting, cock fighting, canned hunts, bear baiting, horse tripping, stallion fighting, all of the most heinous animal “sports” out there. They don’t see it as abuse at all. The animals are commodities, not pets, not friends, not living creatures that deserve our respect.

Unfortunately, all of this makes our fight that much harder. That’s why we need to get support from the outside to push the USDA to make changes to the HPA to help end this. Discussing it on a forum does nothing to help. What we need is for folks to get out there and start contacting your Congress persons, tell them about the new amendment that’s probably coming out in March and ask for their support.

I think there is more potential influence to be had in this effort from professional horsemen’s associations (AVMA, AAEP, USEF and YES the ASB associations) than any letter from my neighbor down the street. The Mitch McConnells of politics won’t bat an eye at emotional pleadings. Professional presentations, white papers and such do send shock waves.

HR6388 goes beyond soring. And it will need high level professional backing and cooperative effort among horse folks to get passed. Alienating saddle seat folks is not the way to go.

Discussion and consensus is exactly what is needed.

[QUOTE=gogaitedgo;6851130]
Well la di dah. Please, please tell me where I went wrong.

Seems to me the egghead types and the entire justice system has been working diligently on finding just the right study to stop evil. Decades of money wasted. You do NOT have to understand why little jackie is a psychopath. You just have to take away his farm and put him in a cage.[/QUOTE]

I already have.

We appear to have gone beyond rational discussion. Further exchange seems futile.

G.

I’ve known many of you here for several years, from activity on this group, I remember the dayz of raising the alarm about what was going on in this breed and offering Dressage en Gaite as a humane alternative.

There were some real lively discussions.

But in all that time I have never seen or participated in the censoring, controlling or otherwise being mean to anyone who had an opinion.

Everyone was allowed to speak their mind, on whatever topic they wanted, yeah, one may run the risk of being singled out and held accountable for your words, but never EVER, I say that again EVER heard anyone tell someone they could not talk here.

I have found that even though topics may get off track, sometimes people’s way to process information comes from their fund of knowledge of what they know.

Some folks are lonely, and just enjoy the company of others and just want to tell someone else about what is important in their lives.

But the post #3803 disturbs me, here this person has been on this group all of 54 dayz is telling people what they can do, speak or feel on this list who has over 169,000 reads….

I have found that sometimes the cure can be just as rough as the problem, ask anyone who has had to undergo or knew someone who has undergone chemotherapy ~~~

Overzealousness can be found in most all emotionally charged issues.
Most of you know that I am a Black man ~~~ I have in my 60 some years experienced exclusion, denial, rejection and more,

I have adopted a personal philosophy that “if I did not like it done to me…then for God’s sake do not do it to anyone else.”

Dear lady, who is the subject of bad behavior being thrust upon you ~~~~ my vote sayz…”If you have something on your mind, speak it, however, you may not get any responses to your thoughts because it is off topic and some will just go right on by your thoughts and say nothing, but by God! You will not be banned from your right to participate on this group… someone may direct you to a thread that may be more appropriate for your topic, but COTH’ers if you don’t like what they are saying…don’t read it!

Andrea, you have a blog that you control. Please do not try to control things here~~~~ we have been getting along just fine…if people do not like what’s being said here…they move on~~~~ but I simply can never remember anyone being told they cannot be here.

My kids growing up would say to you” You ain’t the boss~~applesauce!”

[QUOTE=The Preacher;6852406]
Andrea, you have a blog that you control. Please do not try to control things here~~~~ we have been getting along just fine…if people do not like what’s being said here…they move on~~~~ but I simply can never remember anyone being told they cannot be here.

My kids growing up would say to you” You ain’t the boss~~applesauce!”[/QUOTE]

You know what I would say to your kids? I’d say: “That’s a very disrespectful thing to say to your elders.”

And I notice you haven’t been on this forum for weeks, heck, maybe even months. Yet the past two times you have come on here you have had to attack me. Yet I’m not out publicly attacking you. I don’t care if you disagree with me, Nate, but going around trying to tell me what to do and attacking my opinion is pretty childish and petty.

Please, go back to playing in the sore horse world’s sandbox and leave the rest of us alone.

Andrea, Nate, I consider both of you to be long time awesome friends. Please…

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.

Notice how the thread gets ugly when we take the third choice ? Most of us have done it. Lets try to keep it about the horse and not squabbles between us sound horse warriors.

Those that support soring and BL are fair game though.:wink:

So, in other news, what brought the NWHA National to the Calsonic this year?

It’s been in TN for years. Then last year was a huge “GOODBYE and KISS IT” to the entire state of TN and it moved to Ohio. Where it was going to stay.

What has happened in NWHA-land to have them holding their year-end (The National) show- at The Calsonic?

It sure did get quiet in here.

[QUOTE=katarine;6859374]
It sure did get quiet in here.[/QUOTE]
Its actually been pretty quiet, I imagine that will change in march when the new bill is introduced.
As to your question I don’t know. Bit odd, just says on their website due to popular demand.
Drop an email to them if you are really interested! http://www.thenwhanational.com/

[QUOTE=katarine;6858730]
So, in other news, what brought the NWHA National to the Calsonic this year?

It’s been in TN for years. Then last year was a huge “GOODBYE and KISS IT” to the entire state of TN and it moved to Ohio. Where it was going to stay.

What has happened in NWHA-land to have them holding their year-end (The National) show- at The Calsonic?
[/QUOTE]

I know a lot of people in NWHA. There is not conspiracy here: the reason was TRULY what they said–the popularity of the location. Plus it was much cheaper than other places they were looking at.

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe a lot of the membership didnt want to travel as far as Ohio.

It has been quiet but there is a lot of scurrying and strategizing going on with the BL powers that be. Also there is an sale at the Calsonic coming up.

http://www.thesaleofchampionsonline.com/

All of the
big players are at the drawing boards,trying to figure out which senator they can buy to stop HR6388 from passing. the David Howards and Dr.Mullins still want the BL sore or not to make money on.
its going to really hurt their bottom line,now if they switch and go with the NWHA,this would be a BIG BLACK EYE for the BIG LICK folks.:eek:

this new pc (laptop)sure is fun to get the hang of.be with patient with me.also windows 8:confused:

[QUOTE=FortheTWH;6859702]
I know a lot of people in NWHA. There is not conspiracy here: the reason was TRULY what they said–the popularity of the location. Plus it was much cheaper than other places they were looking at.[/QUOTE]

Who owns The Calsonic?

its who runs it and that’s the big question,part is run by the city of Shelbyville or was in 2012.

as long as the owners get their $$$$ they are not worried about the shows.is my guess.

Who runs it?