here is a look see for ya.
http://www.walkinghorseclubky.com/category/articles/
could this man have HPA violations?
WAIT a DARN Minute:
did i read this right Preacher are you saying that the BL people want a NEW Breed of gaited horse,one that is only big lick how will they do that? so they will not fall under HR6388 because of the name TWH.
Mornin Aarpsso ~~~ Yep!..That their thinking…and what they are doing is going to all the BL orgs and trying to get them to sign on ~~~~ THIS IS the reason for the private meeting, they are trying to see if they can get the BL faction of TWHBEA to be influential enough to sign TWHBEA up into the new HIO…
Contrary to what Andrea says, if they still have the TWHBEA version of the meeting they will still talk about their mess, and hope no one will speak against them…but now that they know I am gonna be there they second think if they really wanna have it or not OR they will have the same meeting outside of TWHBEA where they can lock me out ~~~
they ain’t worried bout no one else, talkin…they dismiss them when they do,…but me they have a difficult time to dismiss…AND I make enough sense (most times:winkgrin:) that some scratch their heads and second think what they are thinking and doing
Now, let me draw the lines between a couple points I have been making over time…
The Executive Comm of TWHBEA is comprised mostly of Lickers, we yet have an org that the majority is still intimidated by the lickers, so the EC members & Lickers who have run out their allot time to be a board of director…but stay active until they can run again assign themselves into 9, 7, 6, 5, different committees,…then they conspire to influence that committee and whatever it does then kinda push that comm towards the BL side of thinking…prevent FS people from getting a foot hold…they then close up these comm and say it is full…
Now they can say on the~~~ oh letsee~~~, “The Show Comm voted to do such and such”…applying this to all the comm…you can see how that would then shape the rules and direction of the whole org.
Now the apologist and the FS speculators here lending their view of the reason for making these meetings private are not here like I am, ~~~~ they don’t have their nose in everybody’s business like I do…they don’t drive down the road and smell what’s in the air, like driving pass MCDonalds’ ~~~~ they don’t hear the talk on the streets like I do~~~
I was already kicked out a very similar meeting if you remember when they said I was not invited and it was a meeting they did not want me in….this happened a couple months ago…remember>? had to be escorted out by the law!
This is being held by the same group…
So dear Ol Christy from the pressure I brought to bear by mobilizing the peoples…recognized they cannot use membership funds to hold exclusive meetings…
I got calls from several of my Licker friends telling me that “On this Nate, I am with you, and I have called up there to TWHBEA and told them so!”…I got several of those.
And yes, Hurleycane, I do expect to be right there when they open up them doors…and when they said there are gonna be special speakers,
I requested to have a speaker’s spot…and told her and “please do not tell me that it is full!”
Yes, I am that obstruction, bump in the road, nails on the street, booger man under the bed ~~~ there to stand up and look them right in the eye and say “No you don’t!”
Now with that being said, I wanna address the 60-dayz-wonder ~~~ when a person starts a new job, moves to a new city and starts school or club….most of us would sit back, be quiet, get a good bit of time under our belt, establish the new guy/gal position before coming out directing other people, what they can say or do and tellin em to not speak what’s on their mind…that a bit rash, and presumptuous, I feel.
As far as being around what she calls the “Enemy” is also a bit harsh and elitist
As I kid I used to remember sitting in church with no one there but our family…and I always wondered why daddy would go through the whole service and preach as if there were 500 people there…just did not make any sense to me.
I understand now the state of mind and spirit of being real each and every time…I have LOTS of friends that used to be Lickers and some that still are…
Once again, there is a difference between people and what they do~~~ major difference…
Many of you here have jobs, occupations and callings serving other people..mine was an ER RN and every other department…
People came through me needing my help, if I were to have the same kinda attitude as Ms. Andrea, I would be standing at the door passing judgment on people whether they receive service or not.
In the 12 years ~~~ has not come down here, attended a licker show, walked through one of their barns, sit down and talk to em, it is at that point if one wanted to take a hard line on the issues, they could, and that would be based on personal experience..anything else is speculations, rumors, second–hand and supposition, and over the clothes line gossip like the women in the cartoon Snuffy Smith and until one has these personal experiences as your proof of the matter, walk softer, and quieter, ~~~ not saying to abandon the quest, just tone it down a bit…x
From the Flat Shod said, when we started driving here to TN from Cali and showing at these shows…I received more grief, criticism and negative opinions from the flat shod side than lickers…they could not understand the concept of working from within to impact the whole of the entity.
My whole life has been the “Raisin in the Sun!” being different and on the inside…I truly believed God prepared my way just to be able to stand firm in this business.
When I go to these meetings, there may be some FS people there, but few of them speak, there is a terrible aura of a black cloud and acrid smoke from the lickers side…
I have seen and heard FS people being jacked up by lickers to the point of tears out in the hallway or bathroom…and if I hear about it I get right all up in their grill and tell em right there and then wait for the meeting to reconvene and bring it up again with an admonition to everyone else to knock it off!
Things are changing, people see them as paper tigers, people are becoming more brazen in their approach to not accept the “Okie Doke” and speaking an voting their mind…but these are mainly the people that are right there in person.
A few years ago it was just Jennie and I at those TWHBEA meeting, just us, not another FS person to be found in the building…
We started our campaign to encouraging people to represent their state and come to the meetings, spent an inordinate amount to time doing this…it is now at the point that I truly believe that the power structure will shift this year, almost happened last December, scared the licker to death, tried to pass new bylaws trying to protect themselves,.
Such as; the Padded Horses can never be banned from TWHBEA!!! No way sucka! Majority rules and if majority says no more..then that’s what we got!
Another one was that board members take an oath to support the PH…No way AGAIN sucka``` you cannot not make a member support something they don’t want to ~~~
When you come down here Andrea, then you will have a fund of knowledge to work from based on experience. I offer to open up my home to you and you can stay here with my family…
But until that time…I would encourage you to just not be so ~~~ well, you know,
We have had dyed-in-the wool lickers ask Jennie and I how to work the Flat Shod horse, take lessons, ask our opinions on allot of things, encouraged them to come and they have to flat shod shows, and yes, I would sit right there with them answering questions and explaining things…people can and do change..
I can attest to that..I was one of the biggest heathens you could ever meet..but look at me now…a big ol’ chocolate teddy bear~~~ LOL!
I do not hate ~~~ just just think it should be amped down a bit//..and that's my opinion, others may not feel the same way and that's okay,
I KNOW! It just hit me...Dudes, wearing military medals they did not earn, especially combat medals....they even made it against the law to do that, yet, some still do!WAIT a DARN Minute:
did i read this right Preacher are you saying that the BL people want a NEW Breed of gaited horse,one that is only big lick how will they do that? so they will not fall under HR6388 because of the name TWH.
Mornin Aarpsso ~~~ Yep!..That their thinking…and what they are doing is going to all the BL orgs and trying to get them to sign on ~~~~ THIS IS the reason for the private meeting, they are trying to see if they can get the BL faction of TWHBEA to be influential enough to sign TWHBEA up into the new HIO…
Contrary to what Andrea says, if they still have the TWHBEA version of the meeting they will still talk about their mess, and hope no one will speak against them…but now that they know I am gonna be there they second think if they really wanna have it or not OR they will have the same meeting outside of TWHBEA where they can lock me out ~~~
they ain’t worried bout no one else, talkin…they dismiss them when they do,…but me they have a difficult time to dismiss…AND I make enough sense (most times:winkgrin:) that some scratch their heads and second think what they are thinking and doing
Now, let me draw the lines between a couple points I have been making over time…
The Executive Comm of TWHBEA is comprised mostly of Lickers, we yet have an org that the majority is still intimidated by the lickers, so the EC members & Lickers who have run out their allot time to be a board of director…but stay active until they can run again assign themselves into 9, 7, 6, 5, different committees,…then they conspire to influence that committee and whatever it does then kinda push that comm towards the BL side of thinking…prevent FS people from getting a foot hold…they then close up these comm and say it is full…
Now they can say on the~~~ oh letsee~~~, “The Show Comm voted to do such and such”…applying this to all the comm…you can see how that would then shape the rules and direction of the whole org.
Now the apologist and the FS speculators here lending their view of the reason for making these meetings private are not here like I am, ~~~~ they don’t have their nose in everybody’s business like I do…they don’t drive down the road and smell what’s in the air, like driving pass MCDonalds’ ~~~~ they don’t hear the talk on the streets like I do~~~
I was already kicked out a very similar meeting if you remember when they said I was not invited and it was a meeting they did not want me in….this happened a couple months ago…remember>? had to be escorted out by the law!
This is being held by the same group…
So dear Ol Christy from the pressure I brought to bear by mobilizing the peoples…recognized they cannot use membership funds to hold exclusive meetings…
I got calls from several of my Licker friends telling me that “On this Nate, I am with you, and I have called up there to TWHBEA and told them so!”…I got several of those.
And yes, Hurleycane, I do expect to be right there when they open up them doors…and when they said there are gonna be special speakers,
I requested to have a speaker’s spot…and told her and “please do not tell me that it is full!”
Yes, I am that obstruction, bump in the road, nails on the street, booger man under the bed ~~~ there to stand up and look them right in the eye and say “No you don’t!”
Now with that being said, I wanna address the 60-dayz-wonder ~~~ when a person starts a new job, moves to a new city and starts school or club….most of us would sit back, be quiet, get a good bit of time under our belt, establish the new guy/gal position before coming out directing other people, what they can say or do and tellin em to not speak what’s on their mind…that a bit rash, and presumptuous, I feel.
As far as being around what she calls the “Enemy” is also a bit harsh and elitist
As I kid I used to remember sitting in church with no one there but our family…and I always wondered why daddy would go through the whole service and preach as if there were 500 people there…just did not make any sense to me.
I understand now the state of mind and spirit of being real each and every time…I have LOTS of friends that used to be Lickers and some that still are…
Once again, there is a difference between people and what they do~~~ major difference…
Many of you here have jobs, occupations and callings serving other people..mine was an ER RN and every other department…
People came through me needing my help, if I were to have the same kinda attitude as Ms. Andrea, I would be standing at the door passing judgment on people whether they receive service or not.
In the 12 years ~~~ has not come down here, attended a licker show, walked through one of their barns, sit down and talk to em, it is at that point if one wanted to take a hard line on the issues, they could, and that would be based on personal experience..anything else is speculations, rumors, second–hand and supposition, and over the clothes line gossip like the women in the cartoon Snuffy Smith and until one has these personal experiences as your proof of the matter, walk softer, and quieter, ~~~ not saying to abandon the quest, just tone it down a bit…x
From the Flat Shod said, when we started driving here to TN from Cali and showing at these shows…I received more grief, criticism and negative opinions from the flat shod side than lickers…they could not understand the concept of working from within to impact the whole of the entity.
My whole life has been the "Raisin in the Sun!" being different and on the inside…I truly believed God prepared my way just to be able to stand firm in this business.
When I go to these meetings, there may be some FS people there, but few of them speak, there is a terrible aura of a black cloud and acrid smoke from the lickers side…
I have seen and heard FS people being jacked up by lickers to the point of tears out in the hallway or bathroom…and if I hear about it I get right all up in their grill and tell em right there and then wait for the meeting to reconvene and bring it up again with an admonition to everyone else to knock it off!
Things are changing, people see them as paper tigers, people are becoming more brazen in their approach to not accept the "Okie Doke" and speaking an voting their mind…but these are mainly the people that are right there in person.
A few years ago it was just Jennie and I at those TWHBEA meeting, just us, not another FS person to be found in the building…
We started our campaign to encouraging people to represent their state and come to the meetings, spent an inordinate amount to time doing this…it is now at the point that I truly believe that the power structure will shift this year, almost happened last December, scared the licker to death, tried to pass new bylaws trying to protect themselves,.
Such as; the Padded Horses can never be banned from TWHBEA!!! No way sucka! Majority rules and if majority says no more..then that's what we got!
Another one was that board members take an oath to support the PH…No way AGAIN sucka``` you cannot not make a member support something they don't want to ~~~
When you come down here Andrea, then you will have a fund of knowledge to work from based on experience. I offer to open up my home to you and you can stay here with my family…
But until that time…I would encourage you to just not be so ~~~ well, you know,
We have had dyed-in-the wool lickers ask Jennie and I how to work the Flat Shod horse, take lessons, ask our opinions on allot of things, encouraged them to come and they have to flat shod shows, and yes, I would sit right there with them answering questions and explaining things…people can and do change..
I can attest to that..I was one of the biggest heathens you could ever meet..but look at me now…a big ol' chocolate teddy bear~~~ LOL!
I do not hate ~~~ just just think it should be amped down a bit//..and that's my opinion, others may not feel the same way and that's okay,
I KNOW! It just hit me...Dudes, wearing military medals they did not earn, especially combat medals....they even made it against the law to do that, yet, some still do!Does anyone know how I can report a post as harassing?
[QUOTE=hurleycane;6871510]
WHere? When? and Nate - are you going???[/QUOTE]
Got this off of TWHBEA’s FB page today.
TWHBEA Performance Horse Summit – Open Meeting and Slight Postponement
Due to interest in the Performance Horse Summit, TWHBEA announces that the event will be open to all Tennessee Walking Horse ‘stakeholders’ and industry organizations. RSVP’s will be necessary for planning purposes. Because of this change, as well as schedule conflicts, TWHBEA will postpone this event for a short duration. Please watch for more upcoming information, date and speaker line-up. If you have any questions, please contact Christy Lantis, TWHBEA Vice President – Performance Horse, at 760.963.1856 or clantis@twhbea.com
ROTFLMAO! Oh man, I just noticed that our esteemed guru the Preacher has 84 posts…and he is complaining about my 65! I guess once you’re at 84 posts you know everything.
[QUOTE=FortheTWH;6873355]
Does anyone know how I can report a post as harassing?[/QUOTE]
Lower left hand corner of each post is a Triangle. Click to “alert” the mods.
Would you two quit poking at each other, please ?
Sometimes, once a man decides a woman should hush, her compliance is the only response he’ll deem acceptable.
Time will tell.
First i’d like to say,sometimes to get to the truth ya gotta go to the street/barn of the offender.if you have not spent time in the runway of a Big lick barn and seen the pain and suffering.than ya best not point a finger at those who have.
and preacher you call those folks the BL faction while I call them the Shelbyville slime run by Mob boss Howard.it has been going on for yrs.those Twhbea commitees are handled by Howard’s yes people.
Now I don’t know what the beef is between you and Ms Andrea but lets not air it on this thread PLEASE try and keep it about what is happening to the Tn walking horse.
Thanks for sharing Preacher,i agree until the Flat Shod and trail riders Stand-up and Twhbea does what it claims (its a breed registry).and register the TWH only and tell DH to go pound sand.
There as so many ways to know BL is wrong. Whether you were in the barns, attended a show, rehabbed an ex-licker, watched the “good” videos of performance horses, watched the JM horror show video, however you came to know about BL. Now it is out in the open for all to see and now it us under discussion by horsepeople of all walks of life. Now is the time to do something about it. Doesnt matter where you came from, just glad that you are stepping up to do something about it.
[QUOTE=aarpaso;6873698]
Thanks for sharing Preacher,i agree until the Flat Shod and trail riders Stand-up and Twhbea does what it claims (its a breed registry).and register the TWH only and tell DH to go pound sand.[/QUOTE]
Never, in 50+ years, has any segment but the “show” segment shown the slightest interest in dealing with the problems in the show ring. Every now and then you get an “expose’” (like the LIFE article of 1968 or the McConnell tape) that generates some interest but that interest generally comes from offended outsiders, not the non-show ring TWH industry.
I wish the Preacher and other interested folks well.
Long ago I learned that in a democracy you always get the government you deserve. The TWH industry rank and file has the government it/they deserve because no effective effort has been expended in any other direction.
SQQ
Yep.
[QUOTE=aarpaso;6873698]
First i’d like to say,sometimes to get to the truth ya gotta go to the street/barn of the offender.if you have not spent time in the runway of a Big lick barn and seen the pain and suffering.than ya best not point a finger at those who have.
and preacher you call those folks the BL faction while I call them the Shelbyville slime run by Mob boss Howard.it has been going on for yrs.those Twhbea commitees are handled by Howard’s yes people.
Now I don’t know what the beef is between you and Ms Andrea but lets not air it on this thread PLEASE try and keep it about what is happening to the Tn walking horse.
Thanks for sharing Preacher,i agree until the Flat Shod and trail riders Stand-up and Twhbea does what it claims (its a breed registry).and register the TWH only and tell DH to go pound sand.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t need to get down and wallow in pig shit to know it’s gonna ruin my clothes and stink like hell. I have gone to a few shows and lurked around the shrouded barns. Got one licker to assure me the saran wrap was to keep the legs clean. And that’s way more contact than I want to have with those evil, abusive bastards.
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6873560]
Would you two quit poking at each other, please ?[/QUOTE]
It sounds childish, but if we read through the thread, he started it. And if he stops, I’ll stop. I won’t not stand up for myself against his tyranny against me. I have done nothing but help fight to end soring–I just didn’t do what Nate wanted me to do in the past and now I’m his target. I’ve read all kinds of lies and crap he’s spread about me that are just plain untrue, and I think I have a right to defend myself. Anyone who knows why he’s been kicked off of multiple online forums, Facebook pages, and kicked out of various HIOs and meetings knows why he spreads the lies, too.
Overall, I’ve learned that there are a lot of people in the TWH industry, both sound and sore, who will give you hell if you don’t do what they think you should be doing. Egos are rampant and are one reason we can’t solve this issue in a black and white matter.
But hey, if you guys want to read his diatribes about how great he is and how much experience he has being black and a former nurse and blah, blah, blah, enjoy. Quite frankly, bragging about oneself doesn’t get the job done that we need to get done.
That being said, I’ll leave it alone if Nate will. I’m happy to work to help save the horse–I’ve been doing it long enough now that I hear the work I’ve done has made a huge difference. Whether it’s true or not I’m not sure, but I’m glad me and people like at least talked about because it means they’re scared!
[QUOTE=gogaitedgo;6874224]
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t need to get down and wallow in pig shit to know it’s gonna ruin my clothes and stink like hell. I have gone to a few shows and lurked around the shrouded barns. Got one licker to assure me the saran wrap was to keep the legs clean. And that’s way more contact than I want to have with those evil, abusive bastards.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I’ve witnessed soring in California and Arizona by BNTs in the industry, and was told all the same lies that the abusers and cheaters and lickers love to tell. When I learned the truth I was beyond shocked. You don’t have to been in TN to witness abuse against the TWH.
[QUOTE=hurleycane;6871509]
ANd hey! - when my geldings are out in the field romping playing and acting all jacked up for nothing - should I be looking in the leaves for the evil doers???[/QUOTE]
Just because a horse goes romping for a few minutes in the field with his head up and his back inverted doesn’t mean he needs to be jacked up for longer than that just for the show ring, or that he needs to live in a bitting rig in a stall or have his tail braced. Horses are lazy animals by nature–they don’t run around with their heads up 24/7.
I would say that ALL of the horses I know–yes, even ASBs–prefer to keep their head at wither level or lower when eating, sleeping, dozing, and just all around hanging out and being lazy like horses do. Why not encourage a calm, quiet, easy-going horse by keeping him long and low rather than jack him up and force him to be in the fright position all the time?
Well, I’m sure we all know the true answer to that.
[QUOTE=aarpaso;6873199]
here is a look see for ya.
http://www.walkinghorseclubky.com/category/articles/
could this man have HPA violations?[/QUOTE]
The Roaches have violations in general. I’m sure he’s no exception.
TWHBEA reverses itself and opens up proposed closed invitation only meeting to all members.
Another event impacted by the caring and active social media people who take their time out to make calls and write emails. ~~~~
ALL of the horses appreciate your efforts and it has not gone unnoticed.
TWHBEA Performance Horse Summit - Open Meeting and Slight Postponement
Due to interest in the Performance Horse Summit, TWHBEA announces that the event will be open to all Tennessee Walking Horse 'stakeholders' and industry organizations. RSVP's will be necessary for planning purposes. Because of this change, as well as schedule conflicts, TWHBEA will postpone this event for a short duration. Please watch for more upcoming information, date and speaker line-up. If you have any questions, please contact Christy Lantis, TWHBEA Vice President - Performance Horse, at 760.963.1856 or [email]clantis@twhbea.com[/email]
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I was told by a couple of the Executive Committee Members who were present when the original proposition was presented, they all said,"They knew why the exclusion clause was put in there and that was to keep me out...They said everyone there knew.
Well I requested to be put on their Guest Speaker List, ~~~ hoping its not filled :lol:
So I'll give ya my slant on what I think will happen next; They are weighing whether or not they could get the Padded Horse Division of TWHBEA to throw their hat in the ring by joining this new HIO Organization who are trying to get around the laws penalizing them if they violate the HPA Law.
They probably right now are trying to set up a meeting, probably at the Celebration grounds AGAIN, so they can make it a closed invitation only meeting like the one they kicked me, Jennie and baby Olivia out of.As president Lincoln parlayed the terms for surrender of the South, he wanted to not punish the Southern folks for their decision to cede from the Union and fight against it.
Many many, people in the Northern government wanted to strip everything from the Southerners, guns, land, holdings ~~~ he had major fights with those who wanted retribution.
When he dies, his successor Johnson decided to break with party affiliations and continue Lincolns proposal of not reeking hell on the southerns, he was so reviled by his own party that they impeached him for that change in affiliations.
What I am trying to do and have been doing is convince people that we utterly HATE, HATE whats going on with these horses…and that we want all nefarious behavior to cease never to return.
However, my side of the coin says this; we allow the people a chance for redemption, a new way of treating horses, a different attitude towards ex-lickers, now most of my lickers friends tell me that even though they have ceased and desisted they still like the way a PH moves ~~~ and its okay to have feelings towards something that has changed ~~~
There were allot of people who obeyed the laws when prohibition came in, but they would tell ya that they still loved to drink, but would not because the laws had changed.
This is how I feel about these people, yeah, some are real hard core, I’ve had many people point their fingers right at me and tell me in person or with the written word that “I am the one that destroyed this breed!”
I say no, not the breed, a division, yes!
I do not classify these folks as enemy, people that must be destroyed ~~~ what they do? Hell yeah!
This is what I mean by toning it down let people have some wiggle room to change their lifestyles. ~~~~ So there is my argument, disagreement or displeasure with brutal attacks on the people.
Back any animal into a corner, you risk seeing behavior you may not have been prepared for or wanted.
