Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

OLE DOYLE is very worried that this is going to put a big hole in the MONEY bucket at the Celebration,just 60+/_ days before the big money making SHOW. He has to do something even if it is just show the flat shod unabused TWH. in western tack and attire.

not many BL folks are going to be gaming for the inspections at the Celebration this yr.they are still waiting for this all to blow over as in the past.

once Jackie the Jerk goes to court in June,and his fate is known than the trainers can start their game plans.if He (Jackie) just get a slap on the wrist,it will be same o same o.
if they throw the book at him. than all the trainers will have to come -up with NEW ways to pass a SORED horse thru DQP.

the USDA also have only 60 + - days to get more teeth in the law to help the Horses that are bein ABUSED.

arrpaso- IMO, you are 100% correct in your assessment about the trainers waiting to see what will happen to ole Jackie. But don’t think they they haven’t been “training” as usual while waiting.They may have been “scared off” as far as showing “iffy” BL horses at some of shows leading up to the Celebration.

They are not going to risk “getting a ticket” right before the BIG SHOW. But you can bet they will turn up for the Celebration-- too much prestige at stake and probably too much pressure from clients who have been paying through the nose all year-- waiting fir a chance to show this one show- THE Celebration-- especially the “high rollers” whose horses have a chance at the WGC-- especially since at least one McConnell will not be there this year-- no matter what the verdict on state cruelty charges.

But there is no doubt in my mind that this has already impacted the boys in Tennessee in more ways than one. If show entries are down as a result, that hurts the shows. If the trainers are not going to the shows, that hurts there pocketbooks becasue duirng the height of show season the rake in extra-- all those hauling mileage fees, and per diems fees while showing-- not to mention prize money if they win-- usually awarded to 1-3 places in the bigger shows.

I think that if the USDA comes fully armed (with all kinds of things to sniff out chemicals, and locate inflamation & etc) and comes with lots of USDA vets to the Celebration, they will be able to catch quite a few, if not all the cheaters.

Anytime the Celebration can be affected, it hurts the BL sorers in the pocketbook in the long term becuse they can’t get the bragging rights that brings mares to their stallions. Remember the year the Championship stake was cancelled? Don’t think that didn’t make then take notice. Unfortunately, they just redoubled their efforts at stewarding.

If the stacks of bads and the action devices are no longer allowed, the artificial BL will vanish and we can go back to showing sould naturallyt gaited horses as long as we keep the cheaters at bay-- that includes those that show flat shod, too.

it would not shock me if the WGC @ Celebration was a Flat Shod this yr .just to get some of the Heat off the BL folks than the Sept,court date rolls around and it will be work for 2013. why else is Doyle show casing a flat shod in western attire. it will be the NEW Image for 2012.

and i hope in the few months between the USDA,can get more support.
Stop Soring and put and END to Big LICK.once and for all

[QUOTE=aarpaso;6383083]
it would not shock me if the WGC @ Celebration was a Flat Shod this yr .just to get some of the Heat off the BL folks than the Sept,court date rolls around and it will be work for 2013. why else is Doyle show casing a flat shod in western attire. it will be the NEW Image for 2012.

and i hope in the few months between the USDA,can get more support.
Stop Soring and put and END to Big LICK.once and for all[/QUOTE]

They may have shown one horse in Western attire, but the article said Allison Thorson showed her horse in Big Lick fashion and a spectator wondered how the horse could walk in those shoes.

I am not familiar with these people, but of those listed in this article, which have received fines for soring/violations by USDA? Has Allison Thorson? Are there readily-available records of the horses which have been found to be sored at these shows? I am wondering if the two horses, Red Ruby, and Roll the Gold, have public records of being sored.

[QUOTE=bayou_bengal;6328521]
One man, who was trying to end the soring by “taking over” the TWHBEA from within by getting anti-soring people elected to its board of directors in a board of directors election in the 1970s, was found murdered at his middle Tennessee farm. The election that year became a ''proxy fight" with the anti-soring side and the “status quo” side battling to gather the most proxies form members to use in casting votes for members of their 'tickets." Much of the voting is done by proxy because many members did not travel to Lewisburg to personally cast their votes.

The incident was mentioned in Echo of Hoofbeats by Dr. Bob Womack. This along with Biograohy of the Tennnessee Walking Horse by a man named Ben Greene are considered the most complete “histories” of the breed to date. Greene’s book was published before Womacks- Womack’s has been re-preinted in a second edition that has more photos than the first.

I believe both editions mention the murder. It is unsolved and the actual motive has not been discovered either. Some think it was a robbery or burglary attempt gone wrong. Some people think it is related to the soring controversy. And there some who think it was related to the man’s other non-horse-relaed business interests, and may have even been a “hit” ordered by the “Dixie Maffia.”[/QUOTE]

I wanted to bump this up because you made such a good point to illustrate the tactics of violence and fear used by the monsters who practice Bick Lick and all the cruel practices that accompany it.

[QUOTE=JackieBlue;6326315]
You know, soring and action devices aside, the movement that some have come to believe is desirable is devastating to the horse’s body in and of itself. IOW, even if there were a “humane” way to achieve the BL gait, that way of going demolishes the back and all joints, front and hind. Horses just aren’t meant to sit on their asses and crawl along, flinging their front limbs hither and yon. I’ve seen countless BL horses after they can no longer “perform” and the only word for the condition they’re in at the end of their “show careers” is NAUSEATING. Crippled doesn’t even begin to describe them. :no:
As for the “keep it on the inside” method of stopping the abuse, if that were going to be effective, it would have been. Maybe TWH’s WILL cease to exist if BL is done away with. So be it. Do we really want to preserve a breed of horse just to abuse the crap out of it?? Yes, they’ve been a tradition in the south. So was slavery, cockfighting and a number of othery unsavory passtimes. When is the American south going to stop being the embodiment of ignorance, cruelty and stubbornness??[/QUOTE]

This needs repeating as well.

[QUOTE=aarpaso;6383083]
it would not shock me if the WGC @ Celebration was a Flat Shod this yr .just to get some of the Heat off the BL folks than the Sept,court date rolls around and it will be work for 2013. why else is Doyle show casing a flat shod in western attire. it will be the NEW Image for 2012.

and i hope in the few months between the USDA,can get more support.
Stop Soring and put and END to Big LICK.once and for all[/QUOTE]

Flat Shod (Plantation) and Light Shod horses can be every bit as sore as a BL horse. The desired movement is a “junior varsity” version of the BL and it carries the same basic risks to the horse (if, perhaps, not quite as extreme).

These horses are also “stewarded” just as dramatically as a BL horse.

While the BL horse may be the “poster child” of what’s wrong it’s only the tip of a rather large iceberg.

G.

List violations

[QUOTE=PeteyPie;6383328]
They may have shown one horse in Western attire, but the article said Allison Thorson showed her horse in Big Lick fashion and a spectator wondered how the horse could walk in those shoes.

I am not familiar with these people, but of those listed in this article, which have received fines for soring/violations by USDA? Has Allison Thorson? Are there readily-available records of the horses which have been found to be sored at these shows? I am wondering if the two horses, Red Ruby, and Roll the Gold, have public records of being sored.[/QUOTE]

http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/7674056/1184549594/name/The_Walking_Horse_World[1].pdf

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6381138]
Again from that article:
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120616/NEWS21/306160037/Walking-horse-trainers-begin-swab-tests?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News

Independent veterinarians and technicians will perform the tests, with lab results to be reviewed by the Tennessee Walking Show Horse Organization, a newly established group that has helped organize and fund the testing, with results to be further reviewed by an outside attorney.

Why an attorney ? Outside attorney ? Outsider ? Right…

Any trainer that refuses to submit to the testing will not be allowed to enter the competition and will receive a two-week suspension. However, it takes seven to 10 days to get results back from the forensic swabs, so the penalty might be delayed.

Delayed til when ? After show season ?:confused:

That newly formed TWSHO group (the foxes) is not the appropriate group to be overseeing testing and results. Buncha good ole boys got together at a show a couple weeks back and started soliciting for money. What gives them the right to be in charge of a testing program ? Doesnt the USDA have oversite of the DQP program ? Would love to see their member roster to compare it to the HPA violation list. I wonder what the USDA thinks about this new developement. I would not trust any veterinarian, technician or attorney hired by this new group. They are paying for the testing program. Just more web tangling and conflict of interest.:mad:[/QUOTE]

Any winnings by any of the trainer’s horses from the time of the infraction to the start of the suspension would also have to e forefitted

Yep

[QUOTE=PeteyPie;6383332]
I wanted to bump this up because you made such a good point to illustrate the tactics of violence and fear used by the monsters who practice Bick Lick and all the cruel practices that accompany it.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for posting this. You can bet the farm it was related to soring. Rest assured this is not the only case. Also, barns have burned over horses heads, horses found dead in the pasture, people have recieved death threats. I heard of a case where a horse was cloraformed (sp?) in his stall at Celebration to elimate him from competition. This was told to me by someone who was there. More reasons local ordinances won’t fly. As I’ve always said, anyone who will sore a horse will do anything, no conscience. Another example of animal cruelty spreading to people. Sick, sick, people folks. They must be stopped, by whatever means.

Where ever there is a show of anything, there will be those who want to win so badly they destroy or injure their competition be it a model car, a dog show, horse show etc. This was one of the reasons security guards became a standard piece of show equipment for many high ranking stables.

For those of you who are directly involved with the TWH breed, how many have travelled to the state capitol to speak with the Governor? How many have booked appointments to visit with the Congress representative?

You might not be able to see the exact person however you will be able to visit withsome one close to them. All the huffing and puffing on the internet or letters to an editor do not carry a lot of impact.

Any emails or letters from outside the U.S. are not counted so it must come from within.

Emails do not carry the same impact as a letter which does not carry the same as a visit. With pictures.

The usual excuse from individuals is MONEY…why should they have to spend their own? You do! Even if it is just for your gas money.

A peaceful demonstration with large signage is also effective but that takes organization and will power to see it happen. Anti Abortion groups readily protest clinics or pro life facilities.

Offer your services to your local government rep to become involved in the process.

If you just leave it up to someone else you will be disappointed and very sorry.

You MUST have hands on involvement.

Otherwise it is just the same Hot Air that has been blown for the past 25 years…

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

Maybe TWH’s WILL cease to exist if BL is done away with. So be it. Do we really want to preserve a breed of horse just to abuse the crap out of it??

Doubt it, since the majority of the TWH’s out there aren’t sored, aren’t shown with the BL crowds… It will, however, cause some restructuring in contmeporary breed standards, which is a good thing… get back to basics, with excellent inborn gait, temperment, bone, intelligence. This is the most phenomenal breed. I, for one, am not going to jump ship and abandon this unique breed because of some scumsuckers in middle TN, and I, thankfully, am not alone in this.

[QUOTE=scrtwh;6383761]
Originally Posted by JackieBlue

Maybe TWH’s WILL cease to exist if BL is done away with. So be it. Do we really want to preserve a breed of horse just to abuse the crap out of it??

Doubt it, since the majority of the TWH’s out there aren’t sored, aren’t shown with the BL crowds… It will, however, cause some restructuring in contmeporary breed standards, which is a good thing… get back to basics, with excellent inborn gait, temperment, bone, intelligence. This is the most phenomenal breed. I, for one, am not going to jump ship and abandon this unique breed because of some scumsuckers in middle TN, and I, thankfully, am not alone in this.[/QUOTE]

You most definately are not alone. To say the TWH will go away if the BL does, is preposturous, too many good points to the breed appreciated by too many.

things did happen in the 1960/1970,to win the Big WGC @ the celebration. riders hurt judges bought,people framed. death yes even DEATH.

the Dixie Maffia its alive and well even today.

Yes things DID happen. It was not uncommon to have two or even three grooms sleeping in the aisles in front of hot BL contenders’ stalls-- either to protect them from harm or to keep nosey people from seeing them lying in the stalls groaning-- who knows which and maybe a little of both?

I know we were “threatened” in a very polite way that would have been hard to prove as a “threat.” But since we didn’t have property in TN, the threat was pretty empty as far as we could see-- but then you never know.

For sure they could “fix it” so that your horses didn’t win when they should have. THAT was so common that it hardly raised an eyebrow. Sometimes you would hear someone mutter something like, “Guess he didn’t have his politics right.” And you knew they were not talking abut Republicans and Democarts.

folks just had another JD and said guess it wornt his turn to win ya reckon,which really meant that he had not paid his dues. or was not part of the in gang. grooms and handlers could make a living fixing other horse.

[QUOTE=walknsound;6383818]
You most definately are not alone. To say the TWH will go away if the BL does, is preposturous, too many good points to the breed appreciated by too many.[/QUOTE]

Right on. Walkers were around before there was a TWHBEA and before the Big Yuck- as another poster so rightly called the gait-- and they will be around long after this BL stuff is FINALLY just a very bad memory.

How many of you who are directly involved have booked appointments to see your legal representatives for the state you live in?

You can explain the intimidation during your meeting and explain that is why folks are fearful to become involved.

Bottom Line: Posting and Pontificating is not going to change anything

You must ACT.

i believe some have been in the trenches of this matter for a very long time.and until Jackie the Jerk gave his cameo appearance.people in the other breeds didn’t believe something like that went on.

Now they can help STOP this horrid practice. they can help write letters they can go to rallys and when asked are there any Questions,let them Stand up in front of a hundred voters,with pictures of these abused horses let them ask the Sen/Rep (which ever) WHEN WILL YOU HELP STOP THE ABUSE OF THE TWH, i have done this untill they say oh its you again. and i say yes its me and i will not stop until YOU GET OFF YOUR FANNY AND HELP THESE HORSES. letters phone calls,you name it

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/6/22/228852/Roy-Exum-Horse-Trainers-Now-Galloping.aspx

Roy Exum: Horse Trainers Now Galloping
Friday, June 22, 2012 - by Roy Exum

Roy Exum The Tennessee Veterinarians Association, which includes almost 1,000 licensed practitioners in the state, came out with a strongly-worded document Wednesday “expressing support and encouragement of further investigation into the use of action devices and performance packages in the training and showing of Tennessee Walking Horses.”

In doing so the formidable group of active state veterinarians joins the two high-profile national groups that have already castigated the walking horse industry – The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) and the American Association of Equine Practitioners (AAEP) – and the resulting worldwide outcry clearly has the SHOW Celebration, which is well-known for the fiefdom they have built in tiny Shelbyville, Tn.

, on the run, if not an out-and-out gallop.

The malicious and criminal acts that have permeated the walking horse industry for at least 50 years and included thousands of violations of the 1972 federal Horse Protection Act, have been hooted down by the industry’s insiders but now four horsemen have pleaded guilty and are awaiting criminal charges stemming from sickening abuse. And everybody in the industry admits this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Demands to stem the systematic and widespread practice of soring the hoses, which enhance the “Big Lick” of steps as the horses perform, have been ignored and gone unanswered by the Celebration officials since a scathing undercover video was shown on the ABC news show, Dateline, two months ago, but last week the industry’s chief organizers created a new initiative group to curb consistent abuse of show animals.

The troubling part is that the U.S. Department of Agriculture has viable proof that fewer citations are given by the SHOW group’s inspectors than by USDA veterinarians and the widespread belief is that a tough cop isn’t employed for very long by Celebration partisans where money is king. For example, of the Top Trainers of the year for the past 10 years, they have 55 violations of the Horse Protection Act on file.

In the current Riders Cup competition, the top 20 trainers had 161 violations in just the last two years alone and a quick check of the Tennessee Walking Horse Trainer’s Association itself shows that 14 members of the board have a total of 72 violations of the federal Horse Protection Act. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house!

On Tuesday, the Nashville Tennessean had a pointed story that the Walking Horse industry based in Shelbyville has done little to polish its increasingly tarnished image. The group has just introduced a lightly-regarded swabbing method of detecting caustic agents placed on the horse’s front legs. They say that anyone caught would face a two-week suspension of the license, public disclosure of their names and a “request” that other shows uphold the two-week penalty. The proposed penalty is absolutely ludicrous to those who are eager to end the horrid practice for good.

Instead, new laws are being drafted on the state and federal level that will put far more bite into what will become a felony on July 1, but the Celebration crowd’s message – a two-week suspension – wants no part in rigorous rules that will send unscrupulous trainers and their sadistic sidekicks to jail or harm their businesses, as shallow as some may well be.

Jackie McConnell, who was revered in the Walking horse industry and a member of its Hall of Fame before the undercover video reminded others he has had at least 13 violations in the 40 years he has trained horses, is set to go to trial on state charges of animal cruelty in Fayetteville, Tn., next week but the better hope for vengeance will come on Sept. 12 in Federal Court in Chattanooga. He has already pleaded guilty.

Further, when federal charges were brought in the Eastern District of Tennessee earlier this year, it marked the very first time the Horse Protection Act has been prosecuted and federal attorneys suspect there will be more instances where animal abuse will be dealt with by both state and federal prosecutors.

Winky Groover, a Shelbyville trainer who has freely admitted he sored horses in the past but no longer does so, said recently, “We’ve been concerned with the swabbing results that the government (USDA) has been putting out and the Humane Society’s been putting out. We’re wanting to do something to prove that this horse can show and be sound and is not being abused. We’re trying to save our industry.”

The telling phrase, of course, is “we are trying to save our industry,” which shows the 98 percent of “clean” walking horse people now have the louts on the run. With the Tennessee Veterinary Association now “fully on board” and national groups bearing down on those who would cheat, it seems some widespread changes will soon be implemented on behalf of the gentle and graceful horses that are intertwined throughout American history.

Keith Dane, the head of equine services for the Humane Society, will undergo a "closed hearing” in Lewisburg tomorrow to determine if he should retain his seat on the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeds and Exhibitors Board. There are some who are angry he made the video public and the outcome of the hearing will have widespread repercussions throughout the horse industry.