Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

[hurleycane]

Fairfax - And here is the rub: Curious- are there ASB shows in Canada???

http://www.saddlebredcanada.com/

See… you can have laws against stacking and chaining a horse and still have great high stepping saddle seat shows. You can put limits on the stacks of TWH and continue with modified shoeing for a high step.

I think this time, because of the AAEP and AVMA hat in the ring, limits on the stacks and no chains is going to finally be a reality. Heck, based on that Playboy case I quoted above there would be less potential of soring for them to worry about. ANd then maybe they can lose all the grease they use to prevent chaffing and the standing wraps they use to keep down the swelling. Less work for the grooms - though it might hurt the economy.

But I think you can see good laws and good shows go hand in hand - be ye Canadian or American.

Wanted to add I just saw a video of a nice young TWH with a not so big a set of stacks (they use baby stacks on the younger ones) and she was moving fairly free and could do more than one lap. Something I hope comes to pass. The short stack that is.

Curious? Do they have homes on wheels in Canada?

Nevermind - I think you and I both know that answer. BTW you did not read WITW at all. Some of what you infer she did not say. She did not mention BL exhibitors as naive.

[Tiffani_B]

[QUOTE=hurleycane;6424613]
Now IMO you can to a degree weight a shoe or pad a foot and enhance a gait, a trot etc etc. The mechanics can be dicked with and not necessarily make the gait labored and grotesque. The entire saddlebred and most of the saddle seat industry is based on perfecting this mechanic. This very discussion is in the FEI rules for the saddlebred. Not sure about the other saddleseat breeds. But for the ASB, when the mechanics of the gait become labored and with effort - they are not tied.
[/QUOTE]

While you make some good points here, the FEI has nothing to do with ASB showing. Perhaps you meant USEF?

[hurleycane]

[QUOTE=Tiffani B;6426241]
While you make some good points here, the FEI has nothing to do with ASB showing. Perhaps you meant USEF?[/QUOTE]

Yes - you are correct - and thanks.

United States Equestrian Federation (USEF)

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=IdahoRider;6426161]
Well, geesh, Leo! You should be lobbying YOUR own government to allow the Big Lick up north, since it is so harmless and all.

That way you can occupy yourself with your own country and leave ours alone.
Sheilah[/QUOTE]

Welcome back Sheilah

I have missed your character assassinations directed towards me. If you read the thread from start to finish you would not I have stated numerous times I do NOT support ANY SORING. Period…

But then, you usually cherry pick comments and posts to justify your own means and agenda.

As another poster so eloquently stated: Why don’t you drop your attacks on Leo and stick to the point.

But then, maybe you don’t have one.

We have 7-10 Saddlebred shows in my area alone. Alberta is a hub for the ASB

We do not have laws against training with chains, rollers, stretchies etc however we do not exibit with them in the class. They are allowed on the show ring grounds.

Homes on wheels…you bet…those campers stuck on the back of a 3/4 ton F 350 are something to see at the truck ralleys. Haven’t seen any at the opera however who knows…I will have to check out the parking lot. Also, we have 40 below temperatures so one really needs to have something with a little insulation. During the 60’s we did sleep in campers and pull the bumper pull horse trailers to shows across Canada and the U.S. That was when shows were friendly, group BBQ’s and a lot of fun

I am fortunate to live in a province that did not suffer like so many during the last recession…and Canada is the largest supplier of oil, in the world, to the United States. Therefore there has been an ongoing market for show horses

My horses have primarily shown in the U.S. so they have been shod to the class specifications as provided for the Saddlebred.

[IdahoRider]

Hang it up, Leo. Your hyperbolic paranoia and insistence on being deemed correct, even when you are patently wrong, are your own issues entirely and have nothing to do with any “character assassination”.

I disagree with you on just about every point you have ever tried to make. And I continue to point out your fallacious arguments. Well, that and asking you to be more specific with your attribution of “special” knowledge.

So far you have championed a woman who plead out on neglect charges and the Big Lick folks. I think those two points of fact are enough to inform on your character much better than anything I could ever say about you.

If padding in high stacks is a good thing, then don’t you think your fellow Canadians should be able to use that “gait enhancement”, without needing to go to the expense and bother of crossing the border? Why not spend your time and effort lobbying your own government for the right to show your horses in your country, wearing whatever “package” you deem necessary? Why so much time and attention aimed at the U.S., where you don’t even live or do business?
Sheilah

[WalkInTheWoods]

IdahoRider - i vacillate between putting Fairfax/Leo on ignore - or not - and laughing at the pompous drivel that he posts. It would be funnier if he wasnt taking the serious purpose of this thread off topic. He is preaching to the choir here, but not researching his sermons. Sorry for taking the thread off topic like i have asked others not to do but enough is enough Leo/Fairfax. Its not about YOU.

[aarpaso]

SHOW me the ignore button

[Fairfax]

Please show me where I have supported Big Lick?

I, along with others with more expertise than I, have suggested one needs a strategy.

Just dumping the Big Lick is not necessarily going to eliminate soring as others have informed us that even some trainers sore lite shod plantation style horses.

Sheila…just to clarrify your latest drivel…I do show horses in the states and I do have a home in the states and I do have Saddlebred mares in Kentucky. Whereas you have one horse and don’t show in classes other than dressage and sport horse…great venues…but they do not have the issues listed here.

I do not understand from where you would glean that I support BL stacks, showing with chemicals or chains.

But then, the truth has eluded you on so many occasions I guess I should always just expect it from you.

As for posting…fair enough…I have asked questions and I have been provided with many links and interesting articles.

I have learned from this thread and I appreciate the time many of the posters have taken to point me in the right direction or clarrify issues.

[aarpaso]

I found it

bye bye FAIRFAX

[hurleycane]

IN fairness to Fairfax, assuming he is saying his own truth - I will add that maybe he and others do not realize how fractured the TWH world is. I am no historian nor “in the know,” rather one of those enthusiasts who witnessed abuse of the TWH at a joint ASB show. And consequently that was the last time ASB’s showed with TWH here on any circuit. ANd when I acquires a walking type horse - my interest in their welfare, and their history intensified.

But for Fairfax, when you keep asking why “plantation” as you call any other than stacked and chained) do not break away or protest - I keep trying to link you up to the NWHA (National Walking Horse Association). This is a strictly walking horse venue that indeed did break away in protest, setting up a show events and “tracking registry” for the TWH as an alternative to playing with the stacked and chained horse. NWHA does not recognize the stacked and chained horse “celebration” as part of their show records. NWHA has their own championship show. So the Celebration means nothing to that organization.

The Celebration is a separate entity that puts on the big show for the Big Lick.

TWHBEA (Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders and Exhibitors Association is a breed registry. It is separate from these events.

Maybe others will inform more.

But this is why your show question was off base. Those that are there at the Celebration event fully support the event in every way.

[walknsound]

[QUOTE=IdahoRider;6426161]
Well, geesh, Leo! You should be lobbying YOUR own government to allow the Big Lick up north, since it is so harmless and all.

That way you can occupy yourself with your own country and leave ours alone.
Sheilah[/QUOTE]

Agreed!

[walknsound]

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6426478]
IdahoRider - i vacillate between putting Fairfax/Leo on ignore - or not - and laughing at the pompous drivel that he posts. It would be funnier if he wasnt taking the serious purpose of this thread off topic. He is preaching to the choir here, but not researching his sermons. Sorry for taking the thread off topic like i have asked others not to do but enough is enough Leo/Fairfax. Its not about YOU.[/QUOTE]

“Pompous drivel” is soooo right! Fairfax is obviously seeking attention, and he’s not part of the solution, but part of the problem. Just a naysayer, consider the source, move on.

[7HL]

@Fairfax;6425602

You really should taking reading comprehension. I said Trailer Trash MENTALITY and I even put it in capitals for you…

My prediction:???::: Nothing much is going to change.

AGREED.

You have a very very small vocal group…here on COTH…a video that many say was terrible…but they are not horse people so out of sight…out of mind…

There are always a small group on COTH that thinks the world revolves around what they think. They will continue to preach to the choir.

You make the statement that maybe the others entering Celebration don’t know what soring is all about? You refrain from stating that TWH exhibitors are in it for the glory and the ribbons in ALL divisions…but that is what you must be implying and I have been to other forums and it is all blah blah blah and yap yap yap with a bunch who don’t even show TWH’s saying they are going to boycott Celebration. One actually admitted…(I can’t seem to find it so am still looking) that she had NEVER shown her trail horse TWH.

Everyone attending the Celebration knows exactly what is going on. Those that are “boycotting” wouldn’t be going anyway.

Gosh…that makes an impact.

How about boycott Coke, coming from the “I don’t drink soda” crowd"?

I hope you are able to stop the soring but I think the lack of motivation, the lack of putting their money where their mouths are and the lack of desire for true change are going to work against you… I truly hope I am wrong

Soring will only stop when people don’t enjoy seeing high stepping horses with riders in their getups. It’s a cultural thing. Change the culture and maybe there’s a chance.

[IdahoRider]

[QUOTE=Fairfax;6426722]

Sheila…just to clarrify your latest drivel…[/QUOTE]
That is S-H-E-I-L-A-H, there is an “H” on the end of my name. You spelled it correctly when you cyber stalked me on Facebook, and it was clearly spelled correctly when you copied and pasted “suspicious” Facebook posts and COTH posts of mine in your strange little “Island Of Banned Members” forum. If you can spell it correctly there, surely you can spell it correctly here.
Sheilah
P.S. you spelled “clarify” incorrectly.

[CFFarm]

[QUOTE=Fairfax;6423369]
I have only heard of them…don’t know anything (that is obvious by many of my posts). Just wondering why the plantation, lite shod and others have not refused to enter Celebration as long as BL is there. IF there was a sudden drop from 4000 horses to 750-1000 that would say a lot more than any thing else[/QUOTE]

First of all, the Celebration isn’t until the end of August so how do you know they haven’t. And the Celebration has everything from mules to a dog show. I think it would be more of a statement if the audience walked out on the BL classes and they showed to an empty arena.

[IdahoRider]

[QUOTE=CFFarm;6427369]
First of all, the Celebration isn’t until the end of August so how do you know they haven’t. And the Celebration has everything from mules to a dog show. I think it would be more of a statement if the audience walked out on the BL classes and they showed to an empty arena.[/QUOTE]
This is a wonderful IDEA!
Sheilah

[MistyStormy]

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6424894]
Maybe a lot of the spectators dont understand the horrors the BL horse endures to perform that “gait”. Maybe they think the horse just looks flashy. [/QUOTE] I guarantee there are some (maybe not a lot anymore) spectators like that because I was one in the late 90’s. I had no idea. I still feel guilty about having gone to the Celebration. I try not to even set foot in Shelbyville at all now if I can help it.

More mainstream public exposure is a very good thing because that weeds out the people like I was. I’m close enough geographically that’s it’s possible for people I know to attend out of curiosity or some such. Last year around Celebration time I had a coworker ask me about it and had another friend ask me about the Racking Horse Celebration. I turned both of them off ever going. Hardly made a big difference, but least that’s a couple empty seats that might have been filled.

In looking at pictures of the stands from recent Celebrations I think something’s making a difference. The section I sat in was noticeably less full than from when I went.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=IdahoRider;6427297]
That is S-H-E-I-L-A-H, there is an “H” on the end of my name. You spelled it correctly when you cyber stalked me on Facebook, and it was clearly spelled correctly when you copied and pasted “suspicious” Facebook posts and COTH posts of mine in your strange little “Island Of Banned Members” forum. If you can spell it correctly there, surely you can spell it correctly here.
Sheilah
P.S. you spelled “clarify” incorrectly.[/QUOTE]

You sure did put a smile on my face today. It is very hot and I was looking for something funny.

Cyber Stalk YOU???

I am on dial up. I can hardly post on Facebook and as a matter of fact I finally did post about some ASB’s presented last evening and my computer kept seizing up. I mentioned I was about through with Facebook until I get satellite.

You must be referring to Speak Easy.

Anyway Sheilah…I am so sorry you have so little in your life that once again you try and derail this important topic to “get in your little digs” and try and be someone you never will be…

Back on to the soring topic. I don’t want this to be just about me.

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=CFFarm;6427369]
First of all, the Celebration isn’t until the end of August so how do you know they haven’t. And the Celebration has everything from mules to a dog show. I think it would be more of a statement if the audience walked out on the BL classes and they showed to an empty arena.[/QUOTE]

Yeah…when pigs fly.

This has gone on as long as it has because the mainstream show Walker crowd likes it. This may right horrify many, but the NFL and UFC horrify many, too.

When the Celebration seats are empty because nobody bought tickets then things will change…and not before.

G.

[nashfad]

The stands were not nearly as full last yrs as they had always been. Trainers and riders from all over the US and Canada have already started coming into the area to acclimate the horses, etc. I do not forsee much of a change. The shows Friday/Sat had lots of entries and lots of folks there. Again, it is it’s own little world.