Feel free to leave if you find the responses here insufficient.
I’m sure there must be some special forum where only smart people can post. :rolleyes::uhoh:
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:lol: :lol: I have a suspicion :winkgrin:
I should have remembered this thread, but sadly, I didn’t connect the dots. Such a predictable pattern emerging, either being purposefully obtuse, or doing it simply to stir the pot. Sound familiar?
https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f…ral-supplement
And I KNEW things were starting to sound all “educated” and stuff here:
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I believe the adverse effects of excessive supplementation in horses are theoretical at this point, but interference with drug metabolism via the cytochrome P450 system, issues with coagulation, and demineralization of bone would be the likely suspects, based on extrapolation from human data.
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I have never seen JB claim any sort of medical degree, veterinary or otherwise.
However, she does know a damned sight more about equine nutrition than the average bear, and is willing to learn more.
She is also quite willing to engage in civilized discussion with others.
I have told you as much about myself as I will be telling you. I am not in the practice of flashing nor name dropping. Thanks.
And your credibility on any given subject will be judged accordingly. Thanks.
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I’m getting major Florida vibes here… like say, maybe I want to go to PalmBeach?
I was really curious how a thread about feeding oil could be this long :lol::lol::lol:
Oh and throwing in my guess of why people don’t feed oil will be my own reason of -it goes rancid in the summer and it makes gross gel-glop in the winter. Highly scientific, I know.
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One of the reasons I like flaxseed.
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Yes, same here. I’ve fed flax for years now
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Both very odd posts from a “new” member (January 2020). The posts start off asking questions in a newbie innocent way, then when folks start giving specific answers, the OP starts claiming all kinds of detailed professional knowledge and getting argumentative.
I do think we are being trolled and I do suspect that JB is the target because these are the exact kind of naive newbie questions (what is a ration balancer?) that we all feel called upon to answer.
Are we seeing a ghost from the past returning under another name? I’m particularly intruiged by the fact that the OP called out JB on not having a nutrition degree out of the blue. In other words, the OP already knew this. We had one recently banned member who was fixated on this. Maybe time for mods to check the IPS on this one?
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Well, talking about old-school, back in the 90s my BO would cook a homemade mash for all the horses on Sundays.
She had barrels of flax, barley, bran, oats (I can’t even name the other grains).
My TB just about passed out in frenzied anticipation waiting for his turn.
And he had this mush up above his eyebrows when he was done. He didn’t care in the least.
It had a wonderful smell even to me.
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Not to mention being all coy about an alleged secret medical degree in some really special field, yet somehow can’t figure out how to compare a v/m supplement to a ration balancer. And, either can’t, or won’t do any of the simple research she’s tired of us presenting, while at the same time claiming to have access to info behind firewalls.
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There are a lot of conspiracy theories here that do not involve me. If there is a longer history than myself, then that is potentially reflective. I don’t care to know, other than that -I- should take it as a warning.
I am a brand new member. My expectations were not met. If I wanted to pick apart every word where the advice was either insufficient, irrelevant, or plain wrong, this thread would be at least ten times as long. It would also be even more a waste of my time. Instead I scan for potential content and disregard the rest.
I respond to JB at some points bc she makes an attempt, albeit layered with liberal amounts of off-putting attitude, but in both threads I gave up. In the supplement thread, info was parroted from a textbook that was nearly two decades old, from a study that was later refuted by the very same author.
I expected a higher level of thought. One involving discussion. Not regurgitation from Horseu.com and an ancient textbook, with interpretations that do not show correct understanding. And liberal amounts of assumptions that the OP did not understand the information, which could was interpreted as the only potential reason that I was not agreeing with her.
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Then why are you still here…?
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Honey, you’re the OP here. You’re explaining why you didn’t agree with yourself…?
If you are what you claim, with the deep data at your fingertips that you claim, you would not be here, asking this board to do the research for you. You’d be conversing directly with the people who are publishing in this field. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Instead, you’re vague posting and expecting people who really do their damnedest to help and answer questions to guess what the hell it is you’re looking to even talk about, all while insulting them.
This thread shows what a cool community this is. There is so much info shared, so many people who want to help, and so little tolerance for bullshit.
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I can’t help what you infer. I can’t help that you keep asking questions that have already been answered. And yes, that IS frustrating when details are laid out and you keep coming back with “I don’t understand” If frustration it attitude, well, then I’m guilty as charge. I did my damndest for way too long to try to find different ways to hit your ever-changing targets
In the supplement thread, info was parroted from a textbook that was nearly two decades old, from a study that was later refuted by the very same author.
I don’t think you understand what “parroted” means. I gave you a link to the research. I actually told you right up front the study was older information done only in foals on the subject of MgOx absorption, that there really isn’t much of anything in horses in general, and then you cried that it was just in foals and not recent :rolleyes: You either can’t read for comprehension, or just want something else to complain about.
The comments speak for themselves, and multiple people in both these threads have told you they have no idea why you keep asking questions that have already been answered. So no, it’s not just me who’s struggling to see the disconnect here.
I expected a higher level of thought. One involving discussion. Not regurgitation from Horseu.com and an ancient textbook,
So, why aren’t you on some advanced veterinary or medical forum? You DO realize that the book I referenced is based on, and references, most of the most up to date studies and information, do you not? With your advanced degree and access to publications us peons can’t see, why aren’t you in those trenches looking to see if there’s something more recent? Did you just want to ask really hard questions masked as something simple to make it sound like the rest of us are really stupid?
Why are you in such a tizzy that none of us can cite studies that don’t exist? Why is it so hard to grasp “here’s the latest info I know of, yes I know it’s old, yes, I know it’s not exactly what you want, but it’s the bes that’s out there”? Especially when you continually refuse to explain in more detail what your “trusted source” told you, and what “high end” means. That’s your issue, not ours.
If you didn’t this this board had anyone smart enough to satisfy your question about “high end” (which you never did define, despite being asked) v/m supplements, why did you start this thread?
And liberal amounts of assumptions that the OP did not understand the information, which could was interpreted as the only potential reason that I was not agreeing with her.
You mean things like
Ration balancers “fit your criteria, and in meaningful amounts. Significant protein, high levels of the limiting amino acids and both macro and trace minerals, and vitamins. Other than the molasses deal, but without knowing why you are avoiding that…” (because you also never explained why you needed something without molasses)
To which you replied
"As for ration balancer vs supplement, could you expand on the difference? I am still not clear what the difference is. "
I gave you some very specific examples on how to compare the 2, very specific nutrients. With your secret scientific degree, you should have been able to do that really easily
You then asked:
“OK, what is the equivalent of a human multivitamin?” when the entire thread already listed several, 2 of which YOU listed and asked me to compare and contrast.
And we’re the ones with issues?
:uhoh:
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@Fellbutbackup in both threads JB has shown a level of patience that is rare. You claim you want scientific answers from experts but you cannot figure out the difference between a ration balancer and a supplement? It’s a pretty basic concept and yet you struggled with it. No one can help you on these forums because I’m not entirely convinced YOU even know what your asking.
It’s okay to be new to horses, nutrition, or whatever. Just don’t pretend to have more knowledge than you do. I read JB’s posts all the time because I always learn something and I’ve been keeping horses and riding for 30 years.
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I didn’t agree with the information presented. It went against my training. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that the information would apply differently for horses. Hence the attempts at clarification. Unfortunately, the further we went, the more I found myself confirming the knowledge from my training. In the end, I got the information I was seeking elsewhere. Both times, actually.
There was no intention to make you feel stupid. If that was indeed the case, my apologies.
I didn’t agree with the information presented. It went against my training. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that the information would apply differently for horses. Hence the attempts at clarification. Unfortunately, the further we went, the more I found myself confirming the knowledge from my training. In the end, I got the information I was seeking elsewhere. Both times, actually.
There was no intention to make you feel stupid. If that was indeed the case, my apologies.
I didn’t agree with the information presented. It went against my training. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that the information would apply differently for horses. Hence the attempts at clarification. Unfortunately, the further we went, the more I found myself confirming the knowledge from my training. In the end, I got the information I was seeking elsewhere. Both times, actually.
There was no intention to make you feel stupid. If that was indeed the case, my apologies.
I didn’t agree with the information presented. It went against my training. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that the information would apply differently for horses. Hence the attempts at clarification. Unfortunately, the further we went, the more I found myself confirming the knowledge from my training. In the end, I got the information I was seeking elsewhere. Both times, actually.
There was no intention to make you feel stupid. If that was indeed the case, my apologies.
I am truly puzzled as to why you think your lack of comprehension would make JB “feel stupid”.
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