I am amused by the attempts of some to justify the invoicing strategies of Heritage Farms.
Yes, some of the charges are standard per the industry…but $700 for nameplates? It’s kind of sad to feel the need to come to Heritage’s defense when it’s obvious they are making A LOT of money off clients that (1) don’t know any better or (2) are so desperate to win they will pay that much to play.
Chunky Monkey? Clean out your mailbox. I was just PMing you to suggest you join the list of COTHers I have had drinks with. It’s a nice list and led to some great evenings.
PM you tomorrow.
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Sorry to not read through everything, but where is stated 4 vets seeing the PPE?[/QUOTE]
The plaintiff stated that on Facebook.
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The plaintiff stated that on Facebook.[/QUOTE]
Then it must be true. Because everything on the internet is true.
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
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Chunky Monkey? Clean out your mailbox. I was just PMing you to suggest you join the list of COTHers I have had drinks with. It’s a nice list and led to some great evenings.
PM you tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
Haha! Thanks for the invite 
Ever since they made it so ads take up half the page on here when I go to my mailbox they cover up the places where one would delete messages, tried to fix it once but to no avail. For the 10 people that have been trying to PMme, you can get me this way: Click on the signature site I have and there is a contact email there that starts with ems. Use that for now and i will give you my real email. I am also on FB I am really pretty easy to find.
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@vxf Keyword: Alledgedly[/QUOTE]
Allegedly.
[QUOTE=KellyS;7020920]
I am amused by the attempts of some to justify the invoicing strategies of Heritage Farms.
Yes, some of the charges are standard per the industry…but $700 for nameplates? It’s kind of sad to feel the need to come to Heritage’s defense when it’s obvious they are making A LOT of money off clients that (1) don’t know any better or (2) are so desperate to win they will pay that much to play.[/QUOTE]
Kelly I saw the nameplate charge as $70. Is there another one for $700? And actually they have a lot of clients that DO know better, because many have been to many other barns. They obviously feel they get what they pay for, and who is anyone to tell them what they are enjoying is not worth it, all of us included.
Facebook can be used by both plaintiff or defendant. If the vets will submit or have submitted affidavits she may not back down and make those responsible pay her damages. I think punitive is fair as to set an example that these practices are not acceptable.
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If I had enough money to buy top AAAAA horses and ponies, I still wouldn’t pay those shoeing prices. It’s crazy. If I had super deep pockets, I would still be careful with my money and not put up with that nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Shoers who do the h/j horses routinely charge more, simply becasue they can get it. Ask the same shoer to come do your Quarter Horse, and it’s half the price.
(told to me by a h/j shoer at a horse show)
The documentation will show what happened more than what we “if” here. I am hoping there is a price list and boarding contract, maybe agent contract and what charges are. Who knows they may have had nameplates done all over the place. They bought show trunks. So far I find some charges ok, but others need explanation that maybe in a contract somewhere. Some people don’t want to deal with any of it and just buy what’s best. There’s nothing wrong with making a profit. Just inform your customer. The 15% charges for horse purchases and leases are fair IMO. I have some issues with full board and training board, but than again goes to what the contract says. If she let it go verbal and whatever was whatever it will fall back into what the law of whatever jurisdiction this fiasco is in. I am having a hard time why BNT would let what seems to be a small amount in their sales ruin their reputation. On the counter if what she says is not true they could counter sue for slander and damages by posting on Facebook. This is a mess. Don’t forget the vet and his stake too. He seems to be asking both parties for all info. Which is fair as he has no idea of their arrangement. But if he does we have another facet to this and it’s not pretty. The fly on the wall for this depo will have popcorn for sure.
If they shoe the barn’s owned horses free, no wonder they soak the other owners. And I’m not surprised about the gouging of H/J (English?), since everything Western is about half what it is for us. Take a look at the difference in prices between the Dover owned Smith Brothers and Dover itself.
Is there really a difference between charging what the market will bear and price gouging?
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Shoers who do the h/j horses routinely charge more, simply becasue they can get it. Ask the same shoer to come do your Quarter Horse, and it’s half the price.
(told to me by a h/j shoer at a horse show)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=chunky munky;7021025]
Kelly I saw the nameplate charge as $70. Is there another one for $700? And actually they have a lot of clients that DO know better, because many have been to many other barns. They obviously feel they get what they pay for, and who is anyone to tell them what they are enjoying is not worth it, all of us included.[/QUOTE]
The post you initially responded to quoted the cost as $700 ~ perhaps you should have corrected that person when you were discussing the surcharges of nameplate making. :winkgrin:
Never said anything about whether clients enjoyment was related to what they are paying. Just pointed out that the farm has created a lucrative niche for itself by catering to a certain type of clientele.
However, it’s not a business model that I would be interested in participating or pursuing! And perhaps my ethical nature and role as a horsewoman plays a part in that decision!
Some of us may not be “involved” in the top echelons of hunter world but it doesn’t mean we don’t know exactly what goes on.
Actually I think there is a difference. Lets take the shoeing for instance. If a guy is shoeing in East Jesus, South Dakota he knows that he will not be able to charge very much. Just the market. If he jumps in his truck and drives to Palm Beach, guess what? He can most likely double or triple his price.
Dealing in furniture, art and antiques I may be able to purchase an item in West Virginia for $20 and take it to a show in NY and sell it for beaucoups. Just like real estate, its location, location, location.
And in the case of Heritage, I am sure all the clients love that beautiful barn, all the good training and great help they get. That is the cost of being there and they think it is worth it.
There’s a big series of QH shows in or near Ocala at the same time as the Ocala winter shows. I wonder if the shoeing costs are same at each venue.
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The post you initially responded to quoted the cost as $700 ~ perhaps you should have corrected that person when you were discussing name plate making surcharges. :winkgrin:
I hadn’t read the bills myself at that time. But if someone was making such a big deal about it I assumed that they had read it correctly. And i didn’t correct either of you, just said what i saw and asked for you to correct ME if i missed that $700 figure. So far nobody has done that. So right now the rant over $700 nameplates reminds me of when Rosanne Rrosannadanna used to rant and then get the facts and say …“Nevermind.” 
My shoer charges the same for HJ and western horses and got a bit offended when a HJ client asked for a discount on their Western horse. He says it is the same shoeing. He also charges the same no matter what the venue. But I know this is not the case for all shoers.
When I married my husband, we switched from using a farrier that does the A-circuit horses in our area (including the Chapots) and began using a farrier who was quarter horse based. Our shoeing bills were cut in half, he does a fabulous job, and we’ve been using him for 11 years now.
[QUOTE=Mardi;7021055]
Shoers who do the h/j horses routinely charge more, simply becasue they can get it. Ask the same shoer to come do your Quarter Horse, and it’s half the price.
(told to me by a h/j shoer at a horse show)[/QUOTE]
My H/J farriers did not charge more, thankfully!
The litigants are posting their dirty laundry on Facebook?
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The litigants are posting their dirty laundry on Facebook?[/QUOTE]
Rate Your Horse Pro posted the complaint and invoices on their page, and the plaintiff, Mrs. Dilbendiwhatever (sorry, not taking the time to look up the spelling), responded in the comments, very politely. The sad thing is she said her daughter has been ostracized and treated badly by other kids at shows since she filed the suit. Kids can be cruel, but that’s the kind of behavior they learn from the adults.
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