Along with the other things already pointed out like polos etc. How many times does a horse go between NY and Fla. ? It seemed like every month a horse or horses were was being shipped there.
And what wormer cost 25$ unless the barn has gone back to tube worming…
And two new tack trunks?
In my dreams I am able to afford that life style… I wonder if the mother/parents is willing to adopt a 50yr old daughter with already made Dh and grandsons…
I am really curious to know what a “Meridian stall” is and why it costs $3,125.
Also wondering why it costs $2,300 per pony to ship from NY to KY but only $1,400 per pony to ship from NY to FL.
Could the funky stall charges be that some horses/ponies got a stall and a half (if the stalls were modifiable)?
It probably includes the fee to give the dewormer.
That is not an out of line price for a barn to administer dewormer.
[QUOTE=War Admiral;7017483]
And I am still puzzling over 5 horses, 6 tack/feed stalls. So when Heritage takes 80 to some “A” show, as I believe is fairly routine, that means that EACH HORSE gets its own tack stall for a total of 160 stalls (without counting feed stalls)? I can certainly see one feed stall per every 5-6 horses, that makes sense, you couldn’t really do it any other way. Feed for 80 horses is not going to fit in one feed stall, or probably even in 4 feed stalls per aisle. But the separate tack/grooming stall for each horse kinda boggles my mind. I must be misreading that. Unless they treat 'em like it’s a 1930s livery stable and leave 'em tacked up in there all day! :D[/QUOTE]
I haven’t read all the replies (or the invoices), so maybe this has already been mentioned, but lots of people will get extra stalls and then rearrange the temporary stall walls so that each horse has a stall-and-a-half or a double stall. It’s much nicer for the horses to have the extra room, especially if you are going to be on the road for a while.
I have no idea if that was the case here, but it is a common practice.
Trubandloki- Great minds think alike! :lol:
[QUOTE=chunky munky;7017502]
@ Martha, likely you don’t know about Jimmy’s tack, as it is not commercial or sold at many tack shops. Its kind of the high end. Quality of leather and workmanship will last you about 50 years if you take care of it. So the cost is not significant when you add up the years it will serve you.[/QUOTE]
Yes except many posters on here have said that the newer Jimmy’s are nowhere near the quality of the old Jimmy’s but who cares if it breaks? Just buy a new one!
I don’t see any great difference in the quality of Jimmy’s bridles and i have several, two that are fairly new. I actually have a Jimmy’s pony saddle as well 
Not too many of those around anymore!
[QUOTE=MHM;7017706]
I haven’t read all the replies (or the invoices), so maybe this has already been mentioned, but lots of people will get extra stalls and then rearrange the temporary stall walls so that each horse has a stall-and-a-half or a double stall. It’s much nicer for the horses to have the extra room, especially if you are going to be on the road for a while.
I have no idea if that was the case here, but it is a common practice.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, that would make FAR more sense!!!
[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7017689]
I am really curious to know what a “Meridian stall” is and why it costs $3,125.
Also wondering why it costs $2,300 per pony to ship from NY to KY but only $1,400 per pony to ship from NY to FL.[/QUOTE]
My guess is either a different shipping company or different shipping arrangement - like, if they took 6 ponies to KY on a smaller trailer it might cost more than if they’re sending 12 horses on a big tractor trailer to FL, even if it’s a longer distance.
[QUOTE=War Admiral;7017735]
Thanks, that would make FAR more sense!!![/QUOTE]
well, it would if a fair amount of the ponies in question were not small ponies, who probably find even a 9x9 stall to be pretty roomy…
Y’all Westchester and Wellington folks need to cut the rest of the madding crowd some slack…we all know it costs you a fortune to show but it is interesting to see how much. As in, I keep 4 horses fed the best available in my area per year on 1/6 the cost of Pony Finals for this kid. The bills here are hard for most of us to fathom, whether that registers as nothing to you or not.
Frankly it makes me feel better about my decision not to show much…how can we ordinary folk with jobs and families hope to compete with this? And as you say, this is NORMAL. It is humbling and discouraging, at least for me. Those Grand Prix dreams have always been unrealistic, but it hurts to bring that home.
Anyway, I will keep plugging away riding as best I can. Maybe someday.
[QUOTE=fordtraktor;7017764]
Frankly it makes me feel better about my decision not to show much…how can us ordinary folk with jobs and families hope to compete with this?[/QUOTE]
You do what they DON’T do: you work at home, really really hard, and you and horsie do not set foot on a trailer until you are both ready to go there and put the “show” in “horse show”.
Don’t be intimidated by the money factor. Reality is, most of these people don’t ride that well. Why else do you think the whole mag thing got started? Why else do you think Heritage is billing out mysterious line items like “Supplies” and “HS Meds”?
I have seen this sort of billing first hand. I won’t get into specifics, but it does happen.
This thread is a hoot :lol: Not everyone who shows in Wellington spends that much money, and no one likes to be ripped off, no matter how rich they are. Certain barns cater to “wannabes” who are willing to pay whatever for something they associate with social status, and who fear that if they ask questions they’ll be perceived as déclassé. That is not new 
So, I wonder if the plaintiff kept the tack trunks, bridles, girths, wraps, polos, fans, etc for which she was invoiced when she left. It sounds like all tack and trunks had nice name plates…
I agree with War Admiral that the shipping actually seems relatively inexpensive.
This is why I would like to see the invoices per horse - if it were broken down to one horse (especially one that doesn’t have special shoeing needs and already has a nice bridle), while I think it would still be a good amount of money I don’t think it will be outrageous for playing this game at this level.
Maybe if I’m bored later I’ll try doing this. Except for the pesky “HS Medications” and some of the tack and supplies that aren’t attributed to an individual horse, it shouldn’t be too difficult to do.
I love this because I get to show it to my husband and go LOOK MY HORSE IS CHEAP.
[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7017748]
well, it would if a fair amount of the ponies in question were not small ponies, who probably find even a 9x9 stall to be pretty roomy…[/QUOTE]
I thought of that too, but when you consider the logistics of hauling 80 horses/ponies around the USA, it may very well be barn policy that every horse or pony gets 2 stalls. It would be too difficult to oversee the setup if some horses did and others did not. Lot easier to keep it standardized IMO.
About 10 years ago, when I was decently competitive ( as in pastels) against all but the biggest guns in the 3’ Adults, I contemplated 4 weeks showing at WEF and priced it out.
My trainer, MNT in that rarified environment and based in the midwest, had a rate sheet and with the show entry booklet, I spent quite some time working out the cost for 1 horse on the grounds for 4 weeks. That was around 2003 or so. It was an easy 10k.
Not including farrier- my regular guy was flown down by several trainers and billed twice what was billed at home. That horse was in plain aluminums and ran 180 at home so…300 easy. Incidentally that farrier moved there and shoes at the shows so that fee is no surprise. He’s good too, art in working with somebody else’s client they have never seen before in a high pressure, competition setting where it has to be right.
30 days of day charges at 125 a day. Plus hack out/ lunge/ school fees on non show days. Plus training fees on show days. Tack stall split. Turn out paddock split. Lodging/meals for the grooms and trainer split. It adds up even with a mid priced barn that put the barn crew in camperland.
Shipping was cheap joining a commercial load of 10 with same destination and pick up. BUT that trip only ran round trip every 6 weeks ( yes they go back a d forth with horses that sold, are getting sold and horses not staying the whole 12 or so week circuit). My weeks did not match their schedule so it was almost twice as much but still cheaper then extra day charges to have horse sit and wait for the big load.
Oh, none of that 10k got me back and forth, kept me fed and I could not afford a month off work.
I even had a Jimmy bought in 1993 or 4 for 600 and not even custom… Oh, the horror.
So nothing on those invoices is surprising 10 years later with a massively successful barn however, I would insist on a little more clarity and specifics itemization wise. But nothing looks that out of place.
I chose to go to about 8 AAs that year and some As with that money. Nobody is being forced to go to WEF and if they think they are getting blindsided by the invoice totals? Opening ears and eyes would be a good skill to master.
Not absolving Heritage of anything regarding the litigation, don’t know much about what happened. But what they charge as one of the very top barns in the nation is no secret and most of it has nothing to do with any litigation.
Many barns have a suppy fee. It includes fly spray, grooming materials, hoof dressing, etc. Most barns when you leave you take the items purchased while there (tack trunks, etc) Then when you go to the new barn that has different colors you have to get all new stuff
WA, I thought this post was pretty unnecessary. This doesn’t need to be an “us versus them” thing… and frankly, most people are not spending that kind of money, but you can still ride with a BNT in Westchester. And there’s no reason to be attacking the riding ability of anyone just based on speculation.
JMHO, of course, and obviously I’m biased since I’m born and raised in Westchester (although not with anywhere NEAR that kind of money)… but all of the people I know work super hard.
By submitting your email, you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. You may also receive promotional emails from The Chronicle of the Horse. You can opt out at any time.
For Customers
Company
Terms of Use
