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[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

SS did follow up to the extent of getting back to LK about the general scene.

How do you know they got back to her?

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

Does anyone else find it fascinating that @YankeeDuchess has gone from being a naive questioner to a full blown expert suddenly? How does she know children were there at the time?

  If this is a more subtle accusation that I am an alter for LK, or for anyone else, I’m still not.

[YankeeDuchess]

@tryintogethere

What this article fails to mention is that LK’s call to 911 regarding an SUV in the driveway at 3AM was made the next day in the afternoon, NOT when she saw the SUV and supposedly felt threatened. That is not something that someone would do if they truly were afraid.

  Perhaps the next afternoon she still felt afraid and part of the basis for her fear was the previous night’s creepy slow moving SUV.

[tryintogethere]

@YankeeDuchess

Perhaps the next afternoon she still felt afraid and part of the basis for her fear was the previous night’s creepy slow moving SUV.

If I were as afraid as LK claims to have been, you can bet your ass I would have been on the phone to 911 at the time I saw the SUV, not almost 12 hours later. Even the 911 operator could not figure out why she was calling when she did.

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

How do you know they got back to her?

Two reasons:

1. In all reports that SS receives, there is an initial follow up to determine if there should be a full blown investigation. In the majority of cases (60 - 70% of cases), based on the initial follow up, SS does not go on to a full blown investigation. But they would need to get back to the reporter to get details, etc, in order to determine whether or not it goes to an actual investigation. It is my belief that SS does not get involved in bullying of adults, if that was the initial report, but they would follow up to the extent of some phone calls before saying they’re not investigating.
2. In either a screenshot of something LK had posted elsewhere, or a post by LK herself answering questions on this thread itself, LK says SS communicated with her and asked her questions in response to her report.

[Brown_Derby]

@tryintogethere

If I were as afraid as LK claims to have been, you can bet your ass I would have been on the phone to 911 at the time I saw the SUV, not almost 12 hours later. Even the 911 operator could not figure out why she was calling when she did.

I’d be out of there and back to NC quicker than Richard Petty in ol’ #43.

Some newer posters appear to be obsessed with keeping this thread alive.

Please feel free to join me in rattling some chicken bones to hasten its demise. Die, monster, die!

[YankeeDuchess]

@rothmpp

If this is something that SS does - I’d consider that a gross overreach…They ARE NOT a law enforcement agency. They should not be reporting accused people to CPS UNLESS there is a direct complaint of child abuse. If an adult reports to SS over bullying of a adult - which is supposedly what LK did - there is NO reason for SS to report to CPS. I don’t consider one adult being accused of bullying another adult a “natural” progression to child abuse.

Guilty or not, a report to CPS CAN be something that hangs over the accused for years. Someone who doesn’t know it was a vendetta against an ex during a custody battle just remembers that their neighbor “Joe Smith” had CPS called on him, not that it was totally bogus.

This is just an example - I have first hand or even eighth hand knowledge of the whys, wherefores, and hows of the CPS visit to MB the day of the shooting.

SS is not a LE agency. But they refer to both LE and CPS, depending on the situation.

[Brown_Derby]

Those hard-luck horses can steal hearts like no others. Rest in peace big sweet guy.

[tryintogethere]

@Brown Derby

I’d be out of there and back to NC quicker than Richard Petty in ol’ #43.

Some newer posters appear to be obsessed with keeping this thread alive.

Please feel free to join me in rattling some chicken bones to hasten its demise. Die, monster, die!

Well the arraignment will be soon, so that will breath new life into the whole thing again. All the same info will be brought up by people that just like watching the trainwreck, all the while forgetting that many lives were affected by this situation.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Brown Derby

I’d be out of there and back to NC quicker than Richard Petty in ol’ #43.

Some newer posters appear to be obsessed with keeping this thread alive.

Please feel free to join me in rattling some chicken bones to hasten its demise. Die, monster, die!

    I am not obsessed with “keeping the thread alive”, I am hoping it will peter out to a natural death in which the LK haters stop (anonymously) slinging around undocumented accusations and insults.

     Instead of rattling around chicken bones or asking the mod to close it down, why don’t you just stop posting?

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

I am not obsessed with “keeping the thread alive”, I am hoping it will peter out to a natural death in which the LK haters stop (anonymously) slinging around undocumented accusations and insults.

Instead of rattling around chicken bones or asking the mod to close it down, why don’t you just stop posting?

Kettle meet Pot. Apparently you like getting the last word. Take it.

[tryintogethere]

@YankeeDuchess

I am not obsessed with “keeping the thread alive”, I am hoping it will peter out to a natural death in which the LK haters stop (anonymously) slinging around undocumented accusations and insults.

Instead of rattling around chicken bones or asking the mod to close it down, why don’t you just stop posting?

So everything that the “LK haters” say is undocumented, but your speculation is supposedly accurate? What makes you any more believable than anyone else?

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

Kettle meet Pot. Apparently you like getting the last word. Take it.

   Mea culpa. If you (general) keep grasping at straws to try to justify your bandying about of undocumented accusations and gratuitous insults toward LK, or me, or other random bystanders, I’ll keeping clapping back and pointing out your lapses of logic, time permitting. 

   As I recall, you posted an extremely high minded, lofty post, complete with a clever paraphrase of Caesar, saying you were out of here. So why are you back?  (Rhetorical; please do not provide an answer.)

[rothmpp]

@YankeeDuchess

Your last sentence: do you mean “do not have” instead of “have”?

You think it a gross overreach if SS referred a concern over the safety of children to CPS? Really? REALLY?

The only thing that has been definitely established is the the general situation was tense, ugly, and escalating, and 911 calls were made on a daily basis. We know in retrospect that there was (at least) one adult who was under great psychological and mental stress (unhinged), and there was a hand gun available.

The children were in danger!

Everyone agrees that it is stupid and irresponsible that neither antagonist had the sense to walk away before someone got shot/ committed a serious felony, and you are taking the position that it was “gross overreach” for SS to refer to local CPS the question of whether the children should be removed for their safety?

I fix the sentence in question - I did indeed misspeak and meant do not have.

We have no firsthand knowledge of how tense the situation was around the kids. We have no knowledge if the kids were even staying on the property. According to the initial court hearing in August, MB had moved his family into the barn apartment, but they did not establish at that time exactly who was staying in the barn vs maybe some other location. IF SS called CPS, MAYBE they did the right thing, but none of LK’s statements/rantings have indicated that the kids were ever in danger. Just because the shooting happened on the farm doesn’t mean the kids were in danger, ever. Bad things happen when kids are around all the time. It doesn’t unquestionably follow that the kids are in danger to the point that CPS needs to be involved.

The only ones saying that there were threats regarding their safety has been LK’s people as MB’s people are saying nothing. Of course that doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening. But it is not in my nature to believe one person’s version of the events in their entirety unless the person is me.

Do I believe that MB shot her? Yes
Do I believe he drove up to the house with the intention of shooting her? I don’t know.
Do I believe that LK was peacefully reading a book all day on the porch? Not necessarily
Do I believe that LK wasn’t the one who sent CPS after the family? Not necessarily, but it certainly appears that to some extent something she did precipitated them visiting the farm.

Does it matter even a tiny rat’s ass what I believe? Not even a little bit.

I’m as guilty as everyone else on this thread for keeping it going.

I’m not going to Felicia flounce my way out, but I’m going to try very hard to just stop posting, with the hope that it’ll die out until the next major legal issue comes out.

[Wilbury_Pie]

@Denali6298

Oooh you clearly didn’t read the other thread. Forensic Science is pseudoscience…

When I brought this up in the other thread, a certain someone had a very strong reaction to it. Interesting.

[ladyj79]

@Wilbury Pie

When I brought this up in the other thread, a certain someone had a very strong reaction to it. Interesting.

it’s amazing how many alters LK has…

(you sound crazy)

[YankeeDuchess]

@tryintogethere

So everything that the “LK haters” say is undocumented, but your speculation is supposedly accurate? What makes you any more believable than anyone else?

At least two posters stated as fact that “LK reported MB to SS alleging child abuse.”

What I did was describe a HYPOTHETICAL scenario, CLEARLY LABELED AS SUCH, that establishes that while it is conceivable that LK called SS alleging child abuse, no one has provided evidence that that in fact happened.

Yes, in the privacy of my own little mind, my inference (not knowledge), is that LK reported MB to SS alleging bullying, and in the course of the initial follow up SS personnel learned that given the whole situation, the children, if present, might be in danger. I also think that the children, if present, WERE in danger, though this is partly based on hindsight on that there was the attempted murder of two people.

If, in your own mind, you choose to assume that she called alleging child abuse, assume away. Just don’t hide behind your supposed anonymity and state it as a fact.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

Mea culpa. If you (general) keep grasping at straws to try to justify your bandying about of undocumented accusations and gratuitous insults toward LK, or me, or other random bystanders, I’ll keeping clapping back and pointing out your lapses of logic, time permitting.

As I recall, you posted an extremely high minded, lofty post, complete with a clever paraphrase of Caesar, saying you were out of here. So why are you back? (Rhetorical; please do not provide an answer.)

Yes, I did, but you seemed so lonely carrying the thread on, basically responding to yourself, I decided to jump back in. From an innocent poster asking questions to an ardent supporter in just a few pages. Got it. Plus it has been a boring, rainy Saturday where I am and I have nothing better to do than read the forum! :winkgrin:

I definitely agree with @ladyj79

[ladyj79]

so in this thread alone

I’ve been “accused” of being lk.
Denali is lk.
Yankee Duchess is lk.

did I miss anyone?

man if I’m lk, and Denali is lk, then who am I pming? :lol::lol::lol:

no but seriously, it’s fairly clear that accusing everyone of being an alter for lk is nonsense.

[YankeeDuchess]

@rothmpp

I fix the sentence in question - I did indeed misspeak and meant do not have.

We have no firsthand knowledge of how tense the situation was around the kids. We have no knowledge if the kids were even staying on the property. According to the initial court hearing in August, MB had moved his family into the barn apartment, but they did not establish at that time exactly who was staying in the barn vs maybe some other location. IF SS called CPS, MAYBE they did the right thing, but none of LK’s statements/rantings have indicated that the kids were ever in danger. Just because the shooting happened on the farm doesn’t mean the kids were in danger, ever. Bad things happen when kids are around all the time. It doesn’t unquestionably follow that the kids are in danger to the point that CPS needs to be involved.

The only ones saying that there were threats regarding their safety has been LK’s people as MB’s people are saying nothing. Of course that doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening. But it is not in my nature to believe one person’s version of the events in their entirety unless the person is me.

Do I believe that MB shot her? Yes
Do I believe he drove up to the house with the intention of shooting her? I don’t know.
Do I believe that LK was peacefully reading a book all day on the porch? Not necessarily
Do I believe that LK wasn’t the one who sent CPS after the family? Not necessarily, but it certainly appears that to some extent something she did precipitated them visiting the farm.

Does it matter even a tiny rat’s ass what I believe? Not even a little bit.

I’m as guilty as everyone else on this thread for keeping it going.

I’m not going to Felicia flounce my way out, but I’m going to try very hard to just stop posting, with the hope that it’ll die out until the next major legal issue comes out.

In one his three calls to 911, MB says “We’re under siege”. I would interpret that to mean the family- MB, his girlfriend, her children.

Surely, in retrospect, you see that the children, if present, were in danger. MB sounded unhinged on the 3 911 calls, both sides said they feared for their physical safety, there was a handgun, …