The Anky thread that has nothing to do with anything but has a whole lot to say about alot

my vet says the incidence of OCD in warmbloods is about 30% and that if you bother to x-ray at around age 12, the x-ray evidence of arthritic changes is present in nearly 80%. He said the study he read did not look at other types of horses.

Makes a good case for performance testing breeding animals by actually working and competing them and only breeding those that stay sound. However, the modern breeding world is taken up with the “celebrity” phenom and so young mares and stallions are bred because they have the right names in their pedigree.

I hope one day to ride as ‘poorly’ as Anky…

When you ride deep, the horse learns to stretch over the topline and round in the front to complete the “bouncing ball” effect through the back…and naturally wants to stay rounded in the front as well. So, there’s no “restriction.”

[This message was edited by Velvet on Sep. 27, 2001 at 01:11 PM.]

I know what you mean about students not wanting to do ‘boring’ stuff. I said to a friend once, that I was doing longue lessons to try to improve my seat. She said she didn’t need to do that stuff as she had already done “Equitation” (saddle seat)! What do you say to someone with that attitude?

I suppose there are just as many trying NOT to do the ‘hard’ stuff as there are those trying to find an instructor to teach them the ‘hard’ stuff. When people buy a horse that has done higher work but can’t do it with them riding, they blame it on the teacher for not teaching them where the buttons are. My sympathies to the teachers with those students.

where there is snipping and catty remarks there is little learning going on, and little listening and thinking about what is being said.

i haven’t seen any really good dressage riders that were any floppier than the movement of the horse might warrant with a correct deep seat. you have to realize what type of movement the upper level horses produce and what it’s like to sit on them before you start condemning people. try sitting on one of those horses sometime and see just how well you do, and you’ll have more appreciation for what’s going on and what it takes to do the upper levels.

AND…it really would be good to watch some top level dressage riders, instead of the local ‘‘big fish in a little pond’’ who have convinced locals that they’re legends in their own time…and can’t ride their way out of a paper bag.

too, i’d be sympathetic to the lesser lights who are going through the painful process of learning to sit a better moving, bigger moving horse. it isn’t easy, and it’s something most people don’t even have the guts to TRY to learn, let alone to drag themselves out in public and listen to the snips of the know-it-all railbirds who have never done anything, but know all about how everyone who IS should be doing it.

it takes about 3 years to learn to sit a bigger moving horse so most people when they finally get a good moving horse are going to look pretty bad for a good while, unless they ‘‘cut down’’ the gaits of the horse so they can ride them. and in fact, every time they move up, they’re going to ‘‘revisit’’ those learning stages, and you see people going thru these stages repeatedly.

some horses can withstand this cutting down for a time, for others it will interfere with their final amount of gait development reaching its full potential, and wind up permanently restricting them, so it’s a gamble sometimes.

so if the rider can withstand all the inevitable snotty nasty remarks, it’s better for the horse usually to just let 'er rip and hang on as best you can and let the ability to ride the bigger mover develop, and hope that people around will be knowledgeable enough to understand what is going on.

there are inevitable development stages a person’s seat goes through, and if you try to keep them from happening and fight them, your seat just won’t develop.

it means that for a time at the start, a person MUST flop loosely in the saddle, and probably will no matter what sort of tiny little mover they’re put up on. that stage goes on for a long time, and without that relaxation and looseness, a proper seat won’t develop.

later on, the rider will learn to follow the motion and will develop his muscles so he is stronger and has the stomach and back muscles to stabilize himself in the saddle and take on a more elegant, still position.

and at THAT time, he’ll look pretty lousy too - too stiff and too unyielding in the saddle.

but it’s all a part of the game. if you don’t go through the loose phase you’ll never get a good seat…if you don’t go thru the stiff phase later, you won’t progress either.

the only way to avoid these is by restricting the horse with artificial aids and harsh use of the hands so he doesn’t use his body fully. too, less talented horses, the ‘‘comfortable horses’’ that never swing their hips or back, can give a person a false sense of having a good, supple, following seat.

a part of developing the seat is an awful lot of bouncing and flopping and looking basically just horrible, riding without reins, without stirrups, with ONE stirrup, with ONE rein, making circles with your arms, doing exercises and stretches in the saddle, and basically just a whole lot of flopping around. without that, the seat will never improve. but a lot of folks THINK they sit very well and very quiet - sure they do, as long as the horse has no gait, or they don’t try to sit down in the saddle. suffice to say, most people don’t sit anywhere near as well as they think they do - there is always room for improvement, and always the more challenging horse who will come along and say, ‘‘sorry, sweetheart, but you need to sit better to ride MOI’’. and that’s when you start realizing how far you have to go, and how much there is to learn. and THAT is the point where you really start learning, when you realize that you can always be better. AND that someone being not as good as you doesn’t make you any better, or any LESS in need of improvement LOL.

there is a certain amount of education people need to understand dressage riding and to look at it.

for example, some years ago, a junior rider who was my buddy came over to watch riding videos.

with no introduction i put a video on. she proceeded to tear the fellow down mercilessly, criticizing his horrible seat and how he rode.

it was reiner klimke.

[This message was edited by slc on Nov. 12, 2001 at 01:00 PM.]

a helluvalotta WOW’s

“I dont know about that guy…with his long coat, top hat and that…cane…What, are you OUTING Mr.Peanut???”

i can post a photo of my horse doing a 5 beat walk.

the aid for the 5 beat walk is to lead a mare without a saddle on in front of him.

it also works if someone leads a pony under 10 hands of either gender into the barn, but perhaps that isn’t very classical.

i discovered this in an ancient work on classical dressage that was published in 1698 by the famous alberto di grisone, better known as ‘‘illegitimi grisone’’, the illegitimate son of the original grisone, and hailed by some as even more of a genius than his ashamed papa.

he is quoted in a delightful book available only in the original german and authored by utta berolge, the incredible dressage master from whom i learned everything i know.

oh the many delightful hours i spent observing the masterful techniques of utta in her adopted home of venezuela.

the rumors of her nazi connections are totally false.

isn’t it about time for the topic header to change again?

Horse riding, Anky trashing, foul mouthed, persiflaginous BOOGER.

Maybe we could get Jen to do a “proper” demonstration on her own horse at next years Spruce Meadows tournament!

I have enjoyed this thread and have learned from it too! Thanks to all!

You just forgot to chant your mantra “oooohhhhmmmm…riiiiiiiiddddde deeeeeeeeeeeeep.” The magnetic band around your forehead will obviously add to the power of this chant.

Where’s that icon–that throwing up emoticon–that the booger board has? I’m in desperate need of it right now.

Louise, can you get one? Otherwise I can’t give suzy an appropriate response.

It’s all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)

[This message was edited by Velvet on Nov. 14, 2001 at 02:49 PM.]

Well, maybe another

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SUZY, get you cane back where it belongs. Quit trying to trip us. Velvet and I are doing quit well, THANKYOUVERYMUCH

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That must have been some toe stub seeing that it took you a couple of months to respond.

Okay, what’s the latest with Spanky Anky?

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jen West:

I didn’t realize there was a minimum income required to post opinions on this board. If there is, please fill me in and I’ll go somewhere a little “poorer.” <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

???

“The older I get, the better I used to be, but who the heck cares!”

>>>the horse should be paying attention to the rider. By the time a horse reaches ANY “Prix” level in dressage spooking in competition should be a non-issue. Classical training ensured that it was. The whole PURPOSE of having a horse between the hand and the leg is so that it will not shy. If the horses are shying they are not between the hand and the leg.

Don’t agree. A horse is a horse first and foremost and don’t ever forget it. It doesn’t matter what level of training they reach, there are still going to be frightening things that happen that the horse will react to instinctively. Yes, you can minimize a spook, but you can’t always get rid of it altogether.

Podhajsky spoke (in one of his books) about giving a demo and having a helicopter land next to him. He Halted and said that it was all he could do to keep the horse in one place. He did, but he also didn’t try to perform any further movements since he knew it would be a struggle. So, here you have one of the acclaimed masters on a GP level Lipizzan doing his darnedest to control the spook.

Horses spook. Plain and simple. You can limit the spook, but you can’t train it out of them. If you could, they would become extinct pretty fast.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dezertrose:
Don’t forget that, my idea of riding style is different from yours… I like a pretty hunt seat (that is effective) with the heels down, and the body extremely quiet (no floppy legs that I tend to see in the dressage world)…<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

READ: perched, w/@ss up in the air riding an inverted horse flat to the jumps LOL

Really… 6 months and you have an ‘eye’ for dressage. WOW, how did you do that?! It must be awsome to completely cover dressage in that short of time… It takes more time to get my new custom tiara made!

I must go now and sharpen my claws.

Sole: The foundation in
ladies footwear.
Soul: Ladies footwear…

No kidding.

It’s all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)

You wanna talk sexism, you ignorant s___! How’s that for a start?