The Anky thread that has nothing to do with anything but has a whole lot to say about alot

[Kathy_Johnson]

Y’all are so wonderfully tactful.

This ‘unfortunate moment’ was not only captured in time, but put up on a website.

Calling a spade a spade, I’d say the horse is behind the bit, broken in the wrong vertebra, not over his back, and leg moving rather than back moving. It is not deep, nor is it correct.

I am sure Alexa has much better pictures to feature, but this kind of shot of a leg mover is just the kind breeders and others put forth as “dressage excellence” to deceive the unaware. It is flashy.

Whether or not We (that is the Royal We) can ride as well is not the issue. I still can not ride my way out of a paper back into the light. However, I can look at a photo in a semi-educated fashion and tear it to shreds with the best of them.

The rider is looking ahead nicely and her heels are down. The horse has a lovely shiny coat, but I do not personally care for the fuzzy girth.

Kathy Johnson Dressage

[slc2]

sl*t actually was the term for a female dog, look it up in dictionary.

[Velvet]

I just saw the picture. I agree with you. It’s only something that would be good for an exhibition. I prefer any of the other bows or tricks to that one.

It’s all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)

[muley]

I never understood this to be a problem with how Anky looks on a horse.
I thought we were talking about how the horse was being schooled.

Anky is a beautiful rider, her position is perfect.

That’s never been in question.
My question is, and has been…

How do the mechanics of riding a horse way behind the bit, and over bent, help a horse in his training? Especially when you are showing in a completly different frame? Is there anyone out there that can explain this??

Anyone??

[suzy]

I now have a huge chunk of cinnamon roll lodged in my nasal passages!

[Velvet]

Oh, darn, after swiping at Brookie I now have to get a new manicure. Ah, well, at least the blood doesn’t show…

[smashing_fishnets_an]

ok last one…
here is the man who trained with the woman riding above. and OH OH LOOKIE LOOKIE! how is he riding??? … see if you can tell who this is…

The mem’ry of your Saint-like life, It spurs me on through storm and strife; And often at the Throne of Grace, So plain and clear I see your face.

[system]

From what i understand Fu** means “For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge” from back in the days of the scarlett letter, not a good thing to be accused of at the time. I have never heard the German barn animal story before…

[HeyYouNags]

Miss slc, Miss slc, I don’t know nothin’ ‘bout birthin’ no babies!

[GO-dog-GO]

Seems like the only answer to this thread is to get Anky involved. She then can explain what was going on at SM and what she�s doing when she trains/rides/competes with her horses. You all can argue for ever about training/riding but if the object of you criticism is not able/here to defend /explain herself, you�d be best off to not relate your remarks to that persons riding. It REALLY easy to criticize someone when their not around. Sure, you can have an opinion and express it but critics are a dime a dozen.

[marianne]

I just don’t know whether or not to wade in here. I may get a howler reponse from Jen West. (you Harry Potter fans know what I mean). I was at our local state fair this past weekend. And what I saw passing for English riding by Western riders is in no way close to riding “deep”. More like long and low and all strung out. Deep is ridden with contact on the reins and from behind like Suzy said. I first learned about it from Gerd Zuther, formerly of November Hill Farm in VA now based in MA , in the early to mid 80’s. (quite a bit before even Nicole Uphoff appeared on the scene). It was for relaxing and developing an OTT TB. AND IT WORKED. One thing that MUST pointed out is to learn it under a qualified eye. As with so much with dressage, it is the feel that is so important when something is done correctly.

I also pulled out any and all tapes of Olympic competition and on Slo-Mo watch, Rembrandt, Gigilo, Bonfire, Goldstern, Gifted, etc and can not see what Jen West is talking about on the foot fall. But then I am now in bifocals I do remember that a few months or year ago, Dressage Today did have an article on Hillary Clayton on analyzing the Piaffe biomechanically and saying it did not really work in diagnal pairs. And this is from a respected researcher in the McPhail Chair at Michigan State using film, live models to analyze the science end of dressage. Granted this research may only appeal to those of us who are anal about detail With respect to the ODG, until the early photographers caught the footfall of a galloping horse on film, the ODG of painting showed horses running like dogs-see Currier & Ives.

I am now prepared for my howler.

[suzy]

that she doesn’t even recognize her fashion faux pas.

Oops, and Suzy is talking to herself again. That’s what happens to aged DQs.

[Velvet]

Sorry, but this doesn’t look behind the vertical to me.

Anky

or this one

Another Anky picture

It’s all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)

[Velvet]

Never shall this thread die. It MUST go on…and on…and on.

It’s all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)

[This message was edited by Velvet on Dec. 10, 2001 at 03:50 PM.]

[Maria]

Nope, not making that up. It is a real honest to God real town in NC. If you know anything about NC, it’s just south of Raleigh.

Do you want to know how to pronounce it?

slc are the puppies here yet?

[judy]

You have started to tell me what you’re accomplishing, or trying to accomplish, with riding deep. Tell me more. Why do you think it works, what is happening?

I am not criticizing anyone. I’m asking why certain things are done. Granted that you may not be able to explain how it feels until you’ve ridden it, but you should know why you’re doing it.

[Maria]

I think I will add a Snickers to my diet as well.

[Velvet]

To Robbierox, kudos!

And a child, er, Canadian shall lead them…

[egontoast]

if you read my post again you’ll see i am not entering the debate about the pros and cons on deep. I only took issue with you saying that she doesn’t ride juniors behind the vertical. It appears that she does…I make no comment on whether that’s good or bad.

Could you please give us the source for these comments:
“people do try to get bad photos of her, that was also covered pretty generously on various web sites and articles. one photographer was very clear about that in fact, can’t remember his name but he was very clear that was what he was trying to do”

[Kathy_Johnson]

>because how can a horse be on 3 tracks in his ‘two track work’?

That question has been confounding the dressage community for decades. A very important question, I think.

This is my best guess. The first track actually consists of 2 rails. When the horse is travelling straight, he is on one track, like a railroad track.

When you put him on 2 tracks, say for shoulder in, he is on his first track, plus you have laid another rail, or track. So you have 2 tracks, the original consisting of 2 rails, and then the second track, consisting of 1 rail.

I think footpaths is a much clearer term.

Kathy Johnson Dressage