What in the name of blue blazes is it going to take?
Cajoling?
Beating around the head and buttocks?
Begging and pleading?
Sniveling and whining?
Getting us all kicked out of here because Louise is sick of us sidetracking?
WHAT???
Back on topic-does anyone have the Gurney half halt video and is it worth getting?
It was around page 10 I think.
Now that I have to go back to another page, because of you Maria, thank you very much, I will have another look at Nuno’s picture.
I think Nuno’s horse’s head is slightly tilted. I don’t know why I say this. He doesn’t look quite straight, through the neck and jaw. Also, whoever did the matting job on the photo did a not so hot job. (It was probably that darn Weegee again). Something is not right with with the left hind. I would love to see the original pic in its original background.
But, if I had to place the photos I would place Reiner first, Nuno second, Anky third and Alexa fourth. Reiner’s and Nuno’s horses are in the same suspension phase of the trot. Alexa’s and Anky’s are in the phase before suspension.
Reiner’s horse has more suspension than Nuno’s,and he appears to be straighter. Anky is a master of “riding her horses down and showing them up.” She can get them back in front of the vertical, but not everyone can. Anky’s trot looks powerful but not as light as Nuno’s. The parollelograms of her horse’s legs are not quite perfect–he could use more push behind, and more bending of the hock.
Alexa’s curb rein is the antithesis of Nuno’s, whose horse is travelling in lightness, where Alexa’s looks to be pulling.
Now, we can probably find some sexism there. Anyone else want to play judge?
Yeah, my copy just came on Sunday, and I’m loving it! Sent for a second copy to give my trainer.
MUZAC??
Obviously my education wasn’t high enuff. 
The wrap version is also available, sung by the cover group, the Saran’s.
Soon to be available, a Gospell version, by the ABCs.
muzac, prozac, muzac, prozac-how could I not know? 
Here’s another pic of Anky, with Idool.
Personally I like her way of riding(not just because Im dutch meself ;o)). I really think this way you keep the horse sound longer than if you
ride horses with their head always janked up. It
spares the back of the horse. Many riders ride this way nowadays. It has proved itself to
be a good method because in earlier days. People like Anne-Grethe Jensen did not ride this way and
her horse Marzog was burnt up long before. And
if you look at Bonfire and think of how happy he looks and observe his soundness and at many other horses who were ridden this way and retired, I conclude this IS a much better way. But thats just
my own little opinion.
I totally forgot to address someone’s concern about riders pulling their horses into a deep outline, which is a legitimate and real concern IMO. When deep is ridden correctly (emphasis on “correctly”), the rider PUSHES the horse up into the bridle; he does not PULL him into an outline. When the horse reaches the moment of stepping under, shortening his underline, lengthening his topline, sitting down, lifting his withers, and truly yielding to the bit, the rider GIVES on both reins simultaneously so that the horse has nothing to hang on and will move in self-carriage. That moment of giving is a huge piece of the deep puzzle, and if the rider doesn’t give, he will end up with a horse that’s heavy in the bridle and not carrying himself. That loose rein stage can last for one stride or 5-6 strides. In these moments, the rider will see the neck bloom as I described before and the horse actually feels wider and bigger all over. It’s as though he’s puffed up (says suzy hiding her bicycle pump).
Anyway, it is a training method that I would NOT recommend anyone trying on their own because the timing of the aids is tricky and so incredibly important to riding a horse deep correctly. It’s also way too easy to think that your horse is deep just because his neck is down and his head is in. This is the smallest and least significant aspect of riding deep. It’s the underline of the horse, the activity of the hindlegs, and the placement of the withers that are the highest priorities.
Oops, sorry Louise. I just get snotty when I haven’t had my morning champagne cocktail, it was the maid’s day off. Geez, trolls huh?
Although whatever we said seemed to have worked! I haven’t seen any troll posts since hmmm? Are you sure that wasn’t just Suzy’s evil twin or something. 
Helter Skelter!!!
Oh and Velvet, no DQ ever flops, you know better than this, we bounce slightly, due to the prosthetic inserts in our rear ends to give us those wonderfully shapely bottoms!!
Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!! 
slay me :lol
Here I am just trying to figure out HOW to make my seat still for a stride or two. Connecting half-halt? Just let me figure out how to keep my connection first, ok?
As for making the horse stand up, that is so easy I can even do it. Here’s what you do: Squeeze both legs and drive both seat bones into the saddle. At the same time, take the ole death grip on the reins as the horse leaps forward. Teaching him to take a bow after staying on key and singing “Mammy”, now that is the next challenge.
This, the thread that will not die, has taken on a new life!
I am unworthy to even rate them …let me say that first…but if I was worthy I’d agree except not sure about the order ofthe last 2 unless you just look at head and neck and not the parallelogram(how Do you spell that) and you can’t 't really call them all ex-trots.
Oh and Suzy, re: hurling on you
I was hurling in grief ,sick with worry, couldn’t keep a Thing down!
Hurlingwithyounotatyou…the evil one 
[This message was edited by Egon Trip on Dec. 07, 2001 at 07:34 AM.]
Well Kathy you can always shoot for 600. So get typing.
Poor Louise.
she said in one interview that she can’t even stand having someone else clip the horse’s whiskers as grooms are too rough, and she does all that stuff herself. i don’t think a lot of the top european professionals do things like that. she’s a very hard working and devoted woman.
I too watched the Celle stallions last year and in all actuallity, yes, they were nice but they didn’t blow my mind away. In fact, on Sunday they did leave one of the stallions in the barn as he had kicked one of the other ones. Anky did a great thing for the dressage world here in Alberta by coming over and doing her demos.
From what I have seen here in Alberta, the only people who come to watch dressage are family members and competitors. Not many people just come out to watch for an afternoon like they do for jumping.
But I did have to pull out a quote that I thought was great fodder for the classical vs competitive arguments we have out here all the time:
Rafael Soto from the Jerez School held the audience captive with his account of how the Andalusians progressed from “high school” exponents to realistic competitors over just a few years. He said they learnt from many people, were humble about their naivety concerning the basics and said the competitions were one step beyond the classical dressage of the school.
>>>a lady I used to board with a million years ago had a western pleasure horse, she let me ride him a couple of times. I swear you could sit there and put on your makeup while the thing was moving. I wanted to kick it and yell “FORWARD”!!!
Well, (naturally) I can one-up this. My dad had a QH that was so comfortable that I could ride him standing on my head while simultaneously getting dressed, putting on my make-up and talking with one of my many beaux on my cell phone.
So there.
If Velvet can show me how to post pictures, I could post a picture of my Dad’s newest horse. The one I can barely stay on even with one leg on either side, sitting upright AND facing forward (a novelty for me), and with one rein in each hand.
this thread is mellllltttttting…
that’s so >GAG< touching
egyawningintechnicolouronthebigwhitetelephonenotethecdnspellingofcolour
“Velvetwhoadmittedlyhasone”
Oh velvet,let’s hear it,come on, you want to…
I CAN’T have some doting child wipe off his mouth, he’s SUPPOSED to have spittle all over his mouth!!! that is our dilemma and our quest. he has abnormal front teeth and can’t fully close his mouth, and he simply cannot stand to have the ‘‘nice frothy’’ mouth wanted in the dressage ring.
well, when Mouse the Evil Terrier of Unknown Origin bit THROUGH bern’s nostril and pierced it (i have the only punk warmblood, most of them like to sit around in lederhosen and watch reruns of ‘‘Polka Time’’), i swathed his muzzle with vaseline and the results were a much more spectacular version of the ‘‘no-actually-i-don’t-have-to-put-my-head-down-to-wipe-my-face’’, such that would threaten to catapult me OFF the neck where i already was to hanging AROUND the neck with my legs wrapped securely (in a very classical position) round the neck and my hands hanging onto his ears.
Mouse, after urinating all over the back of a reclining Pony Club mom, died of terminal meanness, but today, if my horse sees a black and white small dog, he starts bellowing like a dragon, steam comes freely out of his ears and nose, his neck GROWS upward, and he starts bouncing up and down yelling, ‘‘LET ME KILL HIM! LET ME KILL HIM!’’
i am at a loss. perhaps divine intervention, praying to St. Christopher (the patron saint of decent riding) or just doing what i NORMALLY DO when ALL ELSE FAILS, which is to go to a hindu temple, PAY FOR A PUJA TICKET, and ask Shri Venkateshwara to DO THE RIGHT THING.
and he always does.
once, i prayed for a safe trip to india, and during the trip i was forced at gunpoint (in the throat) in rome to allow my camera to go thru the x-ray machine (no-ah hand-a search-a ofa di camera ina italia), forced down in bombay for 22 hrs without food or water and practically ra*ed by some drunk, chased by my friend’s deranged brother, threatened by an irate singer, AND almost crushed and pinched to death at a festival. on the way back i became ill and crashed to the floor unconscious in the calcutta airport, and remember only dimly the soldiers saying, ‘‘don’t TOUCH HER, she’s probably a DRUG ADDICT!’’
when i returned to my town, i immediately went to shri venkateshwara and said ‘‘WHAT GIVES!’’.
he said, ‘‘you want i should have made it worse already?’’
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Accomplishments don’t mean a lot all the time either <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Um …I don’t agree. Especially not in dressage. I know how gosh darn hard it is for me to do my dinky little Training level tests. For someone to acceive that many accomplishments in such a hard dicipline she has to be doing something right. It isn’t like there was just one instance. I don’t think you can accuratly judge a horse and rider untill you yourself have ridden at the level they do. And I certainly don’t think you can deny a list of acceievments like the one she has. To say she didn’t deserve those awards is basically saying all of competative dressage is wrong because she is obviously what the judges are looking for.
A horse ridden ON THE BIT is looking out before himself into the big world around him.
[This message was edited by Louise on Oct. 08, 2001 at 07:19 PM.]
you’re right! I was shocked to hear that velvet would consider RED 
nailpolish!! Even as a DQIT I realize how passe that is. One would wonder if she worde little short red hook…er I mean ankle boots as well.
Goodness, was I looking up to a ficticious internet DQ?!?!
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