I audited an Albrecht Heidelman (sp?) clinic on Saturday and boy, did he ever want those horses ridden deep. But as a result of this deep riding it was amazing to begin to see these horses finally starting to come through over the back. Of course, he doesn’t recommend riding this way all the time. Many horses just cannot physically handle the exertion required to maintain this deepness. But he also insisted that the horses move FORWARD no matter what, it the horse resisted you were to send it on immediately. Very interesting to watch. Hopefully I have learned something from it as well.
brooks,
If he is having problems on the right side only could the curb bit be hitting a sore spot in the gum or even interferring with a tooth? I am not that familiar with double bridles although my arab stallion has shown in them before. His previous owner warned me to get the correct curb because some will bother his gums…??? hope this helps. 
i didn’t think she didn’t ride junior behind the vertical, but he is not schooled the same as the other horse either. he is a different horse.
i also saw sale tape maybe it was, of her trying a young horse and believe me egon i was sitting there thinking holy jesus, this is nuts what in the name of he** is she doing to that horse. so i guarantee i’m in the ‘‘definitely undecided’’ and at times the what the he** category on this issue.
i can’t remember who had the sale tape, nor can i give you a source for the comment you quoted. i can’t remember where i read it. so it’s probably made up, huh, egon. fact is i read it quite some time ago and i just don’t remember where.
In shoulder in, you are on three tracks.
It’s all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)
i think the rates would be about the same for every type of horse.
depending on what you mean by ‘‘arthritic changes’’. i’ve never known vets to talk about ‘‘clean x-rays’’ except that they are clear of gross pathology - all horses are expected to have changes, but the idea is that they are in a place and to a degree you can live with based on what you want the horse to do, and they are ‘‘age appropriate’’ and show an activity level or rate of change that is not scary.
I happened to get some half way decent pictures with my digital. I hope you guys don’t mind me sharing. I enjoyed watching it both Saturday and Sunday. I got to watch the Nation’s Cup on Saturday but didn’t get to watch any of the jumping on Sunday even though I was there. I spend until 2:30 helping at a booth and well, there were no seats to be found. My hubby did get some candid shots of Anky riding the chestnut around as well.
Sorry, still confused…I know…it is a feel not a description but I am curious. okay, so the horse is stretching and rounding…down around the bit? Why couldn’t she just let him have that extra inch or two? 
I’m back! Ha, I agree whole heartedly! Operator error caused me fits and fits! I finally met a trainer about 5 years ago that set me straight! Literally. I was just not effective with my seat at all. I looked pretty sitting there but wasn’t “getting it”. She was a disciple of Mary Wanless and the next thing I knew I was standing on the “edge of the diving board”. Within a few short months I was actually riding my horse not just sitting there.
I just kept getting better and better along with the understanding of what and why I was doing certain things with my bod. It was absolutely amazing to me, I had thought that I was really doing pretty well, WRONG! I can only give myself credit in truly listening to this trainer and learning from her. I have the ability now to really ride my horses thanks to her.
She would not let me go forward with the training of my horse until I had a strong seat that I could depend on. Can you say lunge line! God my whole life was 20 meter circles for months! No stirrups, no reins, whew! It was alot of hard work but boy was it worth every sore screaming aching muscle! Thank god for hot tubs!!
Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!!
What SLC said!!!
Beautiful. The horse is using its whole body, and not just throwing its legs around.
The Seven Beat Walk
I discovered this in an ancient work called “Classical Shmassical Dressage” that was published in 1608 by Udidda G’terpreggie, illegitimate son of Idinna G’terpreggie and hailed by some as even a more convincing twister of the facts than his unashamed pond slime papa.
He is quoted in a delightful book available only in the original Sanskrit and authored by Ima Charlatan, the incredible dressage master from whom I learned everything I know.
Oh the many delightful hours I spent observing the masterful techniques of Ima in her exiled home of I-know-where-but-won’t-tell.
Most rumors regarding Ima are easily confirmed. Nazi connections, mob connections, Barbie Doll collector, license plate maker - they’re all true, I tell you.
BTW, slc. I’m way ahead of you – 1311 to your measley 1068. 
[This message was edited by suzy on Dec. 11, 2001 at 02:06 PM.]
[This message was edited by suzy on Dec. 11, 2001 at 02:12 PM.]
As if a plain old booger isn’t bad enough…
A persiflaginous booger sounds much more grody than your standard issue booger, like it would be much harder to remove.
What color would it be? Perhaps a book is in order - “What Color is Your Persiflaginous Booger?”
(hmm, very obscure 70’s-era reference)
LOL Robbie–you do indeed rock!
now you guys REALLY have me wondering. I have learned under my trainer to use deep to unlock my horses back. The schwung I feel when this happens is INCREDIBLE.
But maybe that’s all the devil in disguise. Will I pay the price later in that my horse is RUINED! 
I mean just because something FEELS right and FEELS good doesn’t mean it’s correct. Maybe it’s all just another DRAWREIN type quick fix which helps momentarily, but in the long run will cause my horse to break at the 3rd vertebrae and turn into a donkey?
Oh well. Guess I will just have to see “later”…
Will report in a few years. 
bONdoesn’thinkdeepismajic
That was a very thoughtful and thought provoking reply, Lita.
What men might make up for in “seat” they often lack in feel/timing/tact. This is perhaps why the women can excell riding these hot animals, where perhaps a man might fail at riding them, yet excell at coaching.
I agree that Anky has amazing timing and tact, although I don’t find her seat particulary attractive (cut it out there, Suzy!)
I firmly believe that a woman can almost always ride a “man’s horse,” but that a man can almost never ride a “woman’s horse,” if you know what these types of animals stereotypically are.
It has been said that women ride with more sensitivity and feel than men and that is what levels the playing field. Although you might say that is reverse sexism, I think, by definition, reverse sexism really can not exist.
Timing, tact and feel are very hard to teach. So, it also may be harder for a woman to teach what she excells at: timing, tact and feel, where a man can fairly easily teach the biomechanics of the seat.
I too will be interested to see what happens as the new generations of female coaches come along.
Don’t sweat it. I’m the one who gave her the Einstein of Dressage moniker. One thing I didn’t mention is that Einstein used to habitually get lost in the building on the way back from lunch, wandering around aimlessly until they sent someone to find him. 
Ahhhhhh, there did it.
That’s my contribution.
So sorry. Didn’t mean to spill my salad with oil and vinegar dressing ALL over the dance floor. You okay?
Oh my! Salad dressing wrestling beats mud wrestling any day. You GO, MARIA!!!
Would someone please develop a fadish new technique called “going high”? Surely there is some mysterious benefit to a horse going around the ring imitating a giraffe.
One way or another, the Fat Boy and I are going to be superstars.
Jen West, if there were a monetary worth requirement for posting on these forums, I suspect the boards would be just about empty.
You know that you are welcome to post your opinions, just as everybody else is welcome to post theirs.
Just remember everybody - “Issues not individuals”
(Haven’t had to post that in a while )
