The Anky thread that has nothing to do with anything but has a whole lot to say about alot

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cortez:
so check this out. the picture on this page. Deep? Too deep? or just right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At first glance I’d say none of the above. Instead - behind the bit…
But then when you take in the whole picture: Nice angles, forward movement, beautiful/happy expression on the horse. I would say just right.

I am sorry… I think the name influenced my second opinion… (should never happen I know! I know! ) Going back to the photo and looking again I have to go my original thought: behind the bit.

[This message was edited by DQ on Dec. 09, 2001 at 09:23 AM.]

I just like to keep in mind that my opinion is worth exactly what you all pay for it. And I value yours with the same degree

Except for Velvet’s…I just skip over her posts

http://communities.msn.ca/KristinSaunders/PhotoAlbums

What picture are we talking about now? Is there a link I’m missing?

The initial bow with one leg down is not that difficult to teach. The camel stretch/bow and the full bow/headstand are VERY difficult to teach and have the horse perform correctly. What does this one look like?

It’s all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)

Ok, so this brings up another question.
It’s ok to school incorrectly, broken vertebre, overbent?

I again, have been taught and all that I have read tells me to school correctly, show the same, not school one way, and show another.

Jen West…a horse on the bit is most assuredly not looking proudly out at the world.

On the bit is artificial, and if a horse was on the bit in the real world, he would be someone’s dinner.

he would also not be much fun to ride cross-country.

OTOH, as Dr. Klimke put it, “when the horse is truly ‘on his own’, then the rider know what it is to feel as a god.”

As for your other posts…hmmm.

one. I dont think you read my post, just saw a few buzz words and took off a runnin’.

two. if you really think that Bonfire and Rusty and Gigolo and Rembrandt and Invasor all look pitiful, and their riders are so bad you would hate to be videoed riding as poorly…well…hmmm. Again. To compare any of these horses to western pleasure horses is silly.

I think it is hard to stay graceful under pressure. that is the point of competition.
it is why Oliveira didnt want to compete–because those pressures were not internal but external and he saw them as taking away from his goal to reach perfection.

athletic endeavor is not about perfection. it is about the best possible on a given day at a given moment.

if you dont like deep , then dont use it.

but that which we do not understand, we are condemned to either ridicule or remain afraid of.
Im trying to learn more about it, just as I like to learn about nearly anything that has to do with horses. I may learn something I don’t want to use–but at least I will know WHY.

cheers,

Lita

Ahhhhhhhh, my eyes my eyes, burn, pain, hurt. HELP.

I still can not ride my way out of a paper back into the light.

Its a paper BAG you’re supposed to be able to ride out of, not some mass-market book! Of course if you ride into the light, it will blind you, coming out of the dark that way, and you won’t be able to see whether or not the poll is the highest point.

However, I can look at a photo in a semi-educated fashion and tear it to shreds with the best of them.

And we cherish this in you. If people don’t have non-bashing discussions of “this is what I see and why”, how will the lowly beginners among us ever learn to differentiate between correct and incorrect, and why?

I need new pet names for the nags.

All those years of French class, and the only good word I learned was “merde”. (Can I type that on the BB?)

that was an extremely gracious reply :slight_smile:

of course I am not precluding haunches in on several tracks or even multiple tracks that vary somewhat during the movement - I sometimes see this in the mirror too, so it could be that that is more correct and I am just deceiving myself

apologies, it makes me nervous when people in cyberspace agree with me after little or no argument

L

Liz Steacie
Porcupine Hill Dressage
Maitland, Ontario

http://www.porcupinehill.com

Velvet,

Eggggggggxactly!

C’mon folks, forget deep, I am trying to wage a war on sexism here. Where is Harry Boldt (owner or the original sexist remark?) I’ll take him on.

Where all the feminists? The ex-hippies, flower children? Girls with guys names like Toni and Bobbi?

Why do you think men have dominated as coaches? Do we really think they’re better than women?!?!

Kathy Johnson Dressage

After wading through 13 pages of posts…I have just a FEW things to say:
Jen West: Hon, please, as a very wise man once said: “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”. That said, I will address some of your complaints. Are you really that old?? You’ve ridden a REAL war horse?? COOL!!! So, the didn’t spook huh? really? Have proof??:wink:
I’ll be honest, I have noticed a lot of floppy legs in dressage myself, but if western saddles weren’t so stiff…you’d see a lot of floppy legs there too.Now, I am sure you are a very good rider and do incorperate dressage into your training program, however, I don’t think you can say you are the best Western Pleasure rider in the world…so I hardly think you are in a position to say you can ride better than the current leading competition dressage rider in the world, as dressage is not your sport. Now, that said, I wouldn’t want to ride like Anky either…I don’t feel her method of warm up is the best…but then again, who am I to say. If it works for her, then so be it…mine works for me.
Western Pleasure needs ALOT of help. Peanut rolling is not pretty and it is very bad for the horses. I know most WP people don’t do that any more,but still.
Now, dressage riders, DQ’s, hunters, jumpers, etc who posted:
Have you ever ridden a barrel racer? Nope, didn’t think so. I have, so I’ll say a few things. Tie downs are not cruel or anything else…ride most barrel racers without one, you’ll and up with a smashed mouth and a broken nose. Barrel racers, for the most part, do have quiet hands. My mother rode in the gaming events when she was in HS. She trained her horse from the ground up. He was #1 in the nation for barrels, #2 in the nation for Pole bending, #1 in the State of California for Pole Bending, #1 in the State of California for Barrel Racing. That horse, who was a grade gelding, continued to win saddles into his late 20’s. My mom tried to look him up to buy him back when she got back into horses when I was 3…everywhere she went people would say “Oh, that little black gelding…yeah, the last time I saw him, he was winning a saddle!”. Now, does my mother (she doesn’t ride anymore) have bouncy hands, nope! Does my mother jerk on a horse’s face…nope! Do her ankles wobble, nope!
So, like I implied to Jen West, unless you’ve been there, done that…please keep your mouth shut.

All that said, we all need to remember that bad days are had, people make mistakes, horses make mistakes, people fall off, horses go lame, and…no one is perfect!
Yeah, I’ll probably get killed for this post, but I felt the need to say a few things.
I’ve ridden barrels, hunters, and now dressage…I like dressage the best, but it has its faults and its nasty people, just like anything else.
Ride because you love horses and want to improve yourself as a person, not because you have to prove something…there will always be someone better than you.
Rosey
P.S.
Yep, I’d bet there are better riders than Anky out there…as wonderfully talented as she is:) Just ask the Spanish Riding school!

and yes kathy you are correct, that is Dorothee on the welsh cob/arab mare performing both piaffe and courbette. Dr. Ritter trained with her, among other people.

Got Schwung?

l*cture:

I liked Velvet’s better.

who needs schwung if you’ve got scha-winggg

There are some things that you should just not ask about.

As a pro-deep (WHEN NEEDED AND NOT OVERDONE) rider, I have to comment how much I was also ONCE AGAINST DEEP.

Then, as Velvet says, I rode it.

Fred, with his short neck, tight back and stiff withers, came around like a pro. In one season, we moved successfully from 1st level to schooling third level. With so LITTLE effort. DEEP proved key to be the key to unlock Fred’s tight back and withers – it LENGTHENED HIS NECK, ENGAGED HIS HOCKS BETTER (no more pogo stick horse! WOW!), and got enough SWUNG so for the first time EVER I could sit the trot.

All other instructors before me told to do “this or that” so I could sit the trot. It was always my fault and I believed it. Then, a European-based trainer came over and said, “Your back is excellent - it isn’t the problem. NO ONE could sit on that back because he isn’t has no SWUNG – He isn’t letting you.”

Immediately at that point, I was instructed to ride deep. In a DAY I was COMFORTABLE SITTING the swinging back in the trot. As Velvet says, don’t knock it until you have FELT IT.

Oh, and thank God Anky, Isabel, Ulla and Nicole did NOT refuse DEEP as a concept. If so, we would have been deprived of their lovely horses with swinging backs, upraised withers, etc.

Copp: As for your last photo, the horse could be more UP and more ROUND in the withers and at the base of the neck. He looks somewhat collapsed in the withers – downhill and not stepping UP AND THRU enough.

Keep at it, we all struggle most of the time. I am sorry to be critical, but those who are anti-deep are gonna LOVE that photo – maybe you were just caught at a bad moment?

“If dressage were EASY, everyone would do it.”

Boogers are not necessarily a bad thing.

Your mother sounds like me!
I used to barrel race, had to ride to all my competitions, and had boxes of ribbons and stuff from way back!! Whoa, that was strange reading that…

In the summertime, the competitions would be held in the evenings, and by the time they were over, I would be riding throught the desert in the middle of the night…Only ran into a few Rattlesnakes…

http://members.home.com/hagys/sabainspage.html

Holy cow batman a photo of Bonfire and he’s not behind the verticle!

BTW I love the top photo of Anky and the horse is certainly not behind the verticle…looks great!

I have nothing against the way Anky rides and I have seen her ride several different horses very well but for some reason Bonfire almost ( ) always seems to be dipping behind the verticle.

Not sure what it means, but, being french, I do know it’s bad. Calisse (not sure on spelling) is another one.

Lot of people around home go “Calisse de Chris(t) de Tabernac”… not sure how correct it is, but it’s something.

Funny that I’m extremely fluent in french, yet don’t TRULY know any swear words

But since you guys LIKE them so much…

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