[QUOTE=StormyDay;8810317]
No, she was referring to when a few posters compared peeing in the bushes to raping women. That was what she was referring to. And there is no reason for personal insults here.[/QUOTE]
My reply was not about rape- it was pointing out this incident was not about 'peeing in the woods" and she quoted my post
:eek:
[QUOTE=Crockpot;8810416]
My reply was not about rape- it was pointing out this incident was not about 'peeing in the woods" and she quoted my post
:eek:[/QUOTE]
Well I think what is happening here is manni is talking about something completely different than you are. So there was a lack of communication here, she was talking about apples and you commented as though she was talking about oranges.
Thank you so much for quoting this. it proves my point 110 % :). Poor swimmers, crucified for being idiots. They should have insisted to talk to real police before handing over money. But they were drunk and scared 
[QUOTE=Manni01;8810495]
Thank you so much for quoting this. it proves my point 110 % :). Poor swimmers, crucified for being idiots. They should have insisted to talk to real police before handing over money. But they were drunk and scared :)[/QUOTE]
its illegal to make false police reports.
If you kill someone while drunk there are consequences for that, too.
This has nothing to do with bathroom conditions in the us v…
I have zero sympathy for them, liars!
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8810499]
its illegal to make false police reports.
If you kill someone while drunk there are consequences for that, too.
This has nothing to do with bathroom conditions in the us v…
I have zero sympathy for them, liars![/QUOTE]
Let’s hope you will never get in a situation like this… And you are nasty again :(. Why do you use the word killing?? This was a very unagressive situation overall. No rapes and no deaths. By the way when did he make a police report?? I thought he was back in the US before they could question him??
And I would still like to know whether it’s legal to pay to private security guys in Brasil. A US security person would probably go to jail for demanding money in that situation
[QUOTE=Manni01;8810505]
Let’s hope you will never get in a situation like this… By the way when did he make a police report?? I thought he was back in the US before they could question him??[/QUOTE]
Not sure why the continued support for a bunch of inebriated, spoiled American brats. Frankly, I’d never get in this mess. I’ve seen American “jerks” in other countries and it is embarrassing at times to be from the same country they are.
Lochte’s poor decisions have cost him… Speedo, Polo Ralph Lauren, Gentle Hair Removal and Airweave have all dropped him. Now he’s out a bunch more $$ than if he’d just own up to the poor behavior and the truth about what happened. I’m at the point now where I don’t believe anything that comes out of his mouth.
[QUOTE=Where’sMyWhite;8810519]
Not sure why the continued support for a bunch of inebriated, spoiled American brats. Frankly, I’d never get in this mess. I’ve seen American “jerks” in other countries and it is embarrassing at times to be from the same country they are.
Lochte’s poor decisions have cost him… Speedo, Polo Ralph Lauren, Gentle Hair Removal and Airweave have all dropped him. Now he’s out a bunch more $$ than if he’d just own up to the poor behavior and the truth about what happened. I’m at the point now where I don’t believe anything that comes out of his mouth.[/QUOTE]
Yes he made poor decisions and he did loose all his sponsors because of it. So he will probably grow up now and hopefully will make better decisions in the future. But IMO there were still some parts to the story which need to be considered and which make him look a little less of an idiot in my eyes. I usually don’t like witch hunts when everybody jumps on somebody for whatever reasons. And in this case I thought it was amazing how many things there are in favor of the swimmers, once you look closer at it. And it’s very poor that people needed to argue with rape and murder just to make them look worse :(. IMO that’s bullying…
I don’t support bad behavior but they had hands raised, they were made to get out of vehicle …had hands raised when sitting on curb (to me confirmng gun which police acknowledge was pulled). TMZ (yeah I know but they broke ray rice story …) .took pictures (i think also confirmed by other netweorks/media) and all that was damaged was a paper sign. It is said they (swimmers) offered $50 but had to pay $400. So I think they were idiots but I think the reason they are not sitting w the irish official in a sub human condition prison (the official arrested for selling ticket) is because the conduct of security/manager was also very iffy.
LOL!!! 32 year old and you are making excuses for him? Victim? yikes No wonder we have a bunch of screwed up late 20’s and 30 somethings…mommy makes excuses for them.
[QUOTE=StormyDay;8807250]
These guys were out partying- so probably still extremely drunk when this all went down. Have you ever had to remember events from when you were drunk? It can be hard to have the facts straight.
I have no doubt these guys thought they got robbed. Did they? I don’t have all the facts for that. Are they still really really stupid? Yes. Should we victim shame them just because they thought something happened one way, when it happened the other? No.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8810499]
its illegal to make false police reports.
If you kill someone while drunk there are consequences for that, too.
This has nothing to do with bathroom conditions in the us v…
I have zero sympathy for them, liars![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Manni01;8810505]Let’s hope you will never get in a situation like this… And you are nasty again :(. Why do you use the word killing?? This was a very unagressive situation overall. No rapes and no deaths. By the way when did he make a police report?? I thought he was back in the US before they could question him??
And I would still like to know whether it’s legal to pay to private security guys in Brasil. A US security person would probably go to jail for demanding money in that situation[/QUOTE]
I’ve been over seas with a bunch of drunk young guys, been drunk with them & been responsible for dealing with them after they were drunk. The BTDT side of me is really confused by your sympathy - since I’ve been involved in some interesting situations involving young guys, alcohol and foreign countries.
Most of them get smarter after they’ve tied one on a few times and learn not to get caught. From what I understand, this is not Lochte’s first drinking rodeo; he should be a smarter drunk by now.
Bribery is pretty common in many parts of the world. Whether or not it’s legal is almost irrelevant. When you play outside the rules, the other side often does as well. I’m surprised that you, not being American, are so upset about it. Like the bathroom situation, things are different outside the states.
These guys, even the younger guys, are not babes in the woods. They’ve been around, I really don’t think this is first time they’ve been drunk, or even drunk outside of the US. Most do get smarter after they done it a few times; trust me.
IME, people will say whatever they need to get out of a bind. Call me a cynic; I gave guys the BOD early on. Turned out, nearly every time I bought a sob story it ended up being more along the lines of “I didn’t make it to work because I spent the night with a hooker and didn’t know where I was when I woke up.”
I’m not sure if he actually made a police report, but the story DID get picked up by multiple news outlets that it was a police involved incident. Regardless of whether or not a report was filed or not, there was no way the Rio police were not going to investigate a high profile incident like this.
BTW, we should completely victim shame here, because the “victim’s” actions brought about the entire situation.
[QUOTE=red mares;8810644]
I’ve been over seas with a bunch of drunk young guys, been drunk with them & been responsible for dealing with them after they were drunk. The BTDT side of me is really confused by your sympathy - since I’ve been involved in some interesting situations involving young guys, alcohol and foreign countries.
Most of them get smarter after they’ve tied one on a few times and learn not to get caught. From what I understand, this is not Lochte’s first drinking rodeo; he should be a smarter drunk by now.
Bribery is pretty common in many parts of the world. Whether or not it’s legal is almost irrelevant. When you play outside the rules, the other side often does as well. I’m surprised that you, not being American, are so upset about it. Like the bathroom situation, things are different outside the states.
These guys, even the younger guys, are not babes in the woods. They’ve been around, I really don’t think this is first time they’ve been drunk, or even drunk outside of the US. Most do get smarter after they done it a few times; trust me.
IME, people will say whatever they need to get out of a bind. Call me a cynic; I gave guys the BOD early on. Turned out, nearly every time I bought a sob story it ended up being more along the lines of “I didn’t make it to work because I spent the night with a hooker and didn’t know where I was when I woke up.”
I’m not sure if he actually made a police report, but the story DID get picked up by multiple news outlets that it was a police involved incident. Regardless of whether or not a report was filed or not, there was no way the Rio police were not going to investigate a high profile incident like this.
BTW, we should completely victim shame here, because the “victim’s” actions brought about the entire situation.[/QUOTE]
??? Do you imply Germans bribe??? Be assured if you try to do this with any government employed person you will have a problem. And I explained why I think Americans could have a problem with this situation. Not sure what your experiences have to do with it… In this case it was 4 full bladders which caused extreme discomfort. Nothing else was involved
But I thought the reason the Brazilians were really upset is that they do have a problem with shake downs /bribery by authorities which is what this ‘might’ have been. Do a Google search. Two years ago 22 police arrested for extortion charging shopkeepers etc for not filing legal infractions. The swimmers were jerks. But you can be a jerk and still be the subject of a crime.
[QUOTE=Manni01;8810664]
??? Do you imply Germans bribe???[/QUOTE]
Where was Germany mentioned?
I read “many parts of the world”…
If you kill someone while drunk there are consequences for that, too.
Again with the over-exaggeration. Killing a person is very, very different than destruction of property.
[QUOTE=Bogey2;8810616]
LOL!!! 32 year old and you are making excuses for him? Victim? yikes No wonder we have a bunch of screwed up late 20’s and 30 somethings…mommy makes excuses for them.[/QUOTE]
Being robbed at gunpoint makes them the victim of a crime. Are they idiots for taking a taxi after dark, stopping at a strange gas station, getting too drunk to know what is going on, peeing in the bushes and (possibly) kicking down a door? Yes. Yes they are idiots. Does that make the crime they experienced any less of a crime? No. Just because someone isn’t doing good things doesn’t mean you can go an rob them and that is ok.
And yes, holding them at gunpoint and demanding money is robbery. Even if the money was ‘deserved’.
My point if you read what I wrote was to mention that being drunk doesn’t mean you are not accountable for your actions.if you drive drunk and kill someone you will be held responsible.
Same here. I do not understand why manni takes the side of liars.
And you are right manni that I’m not in that situation, well I would never be that dumb. And since I don’t really drink and I’m a responsible person I will never have to worry about that!
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8810757]
My point if you read what I wrote was to mention that being drunk doesn’t mean you are not accountable for your actions.if you drive drunk and kill someone you will be held responsible.
Same here. I do not understand why manni ytakes the side of liars.
And you are right manni that I’m not in that situation, well I would never be that dumb. And since I don’t really drink and I’m a responsible person I will never have to worry about that![/QUOTE]
Sorry my computer broke down so I am somehow limited right now but Sendenhorse should really change her way of expressing herself. I do NOT take the side of liars. (Written in your regular nasty style ). You imply with this that I’m not much better then a liar… Also by mentioning killing you imply something nasty regarding the swimmers again
No I try to make clear that a group of drunk and probably happy Athletes ( after all they won some medals) needed to use a restroom on their way home. Used to US habits they stopped at a gas station to use the restroom. Unfortunately they were too drunk to find the restrooms ( maybe they were locked as well). So they relieved themselves at the back of the building ( I guess they were under pressure). On of them knocked down a paper poster. They went back to the taxi got in and wanted to leave. But they were stopped by a guy dressed in black with a gun who forced them to get out, sit down and hand over some money. Then they were able to leave.
IMO they were pretty shocked when a gun was pointed at them and just wanted to end this situation as safe as possible. AFter all Brasil doesn’t have the best reputation.
And yes I can see why they felt they were being robbed.
I don’t see any liars I just see a group of guys who made the mistake to stop at the wrong place. They should have hold out for 10 more min…
[QUOTE=Manni01;8810664]
??? Do you imply Germans bribe??? Be assured if you try to do this with any government employed person you will have a problem. And I explained why I think Americans could have a problem with this situation. Not sure what your experiences have to do with it… In this case it was 4 full bladders which caused extreme discomfort. Nothing else was involved[/QUOTE]
Damn straight Germans bribe!!! At least they do in Kiel and Hamburg!!!
Do the words “Volkswagen TDI Diesel” have any meaning for you!!!
There’s not a nation on Urth where you won’t find somebody willing to “fix” something for a fee. At 0300 in most places they are more common than at other times of the day.
I’ve never tried to kick in the door of a Brazilian loo by the dark of the moon. I’ve never been that drunk or that stupid. I have visited Brazil and used public loos by the dark of the moon. I never had any trouble and if there was a fee I paid it. I don’t know if I paid “bribe” or not. They wanted a a Real so I gave 'em one and got the key. End of story.
Oh, and I gave the key back.
G.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;8810807]
Damn straight Germans bribe!!! At least they do in Kiel and Hamburg!!!
Do the words “Volkswagen TDI Diesel” have any meaning for you!!!
There’s not a nation on Urth where you won’t find somebody willing to “fix” something for a fee. At 0300 in most places they are more common than at other times of the day.
I’ve never tried to kick in the door of a Brazilian loo by the dark of the moon. I’ve never been that drunk or that stupid. I have visited Brazil and used public loos by the dark of the moon. I never had any trouble and if there was a fee I paid it. I don’t know if I paid “bribe” or not. They wanted a a Real so I gave 'em one and got the key. End of story.
Oh, and I gave the key back.
G.[/QUOTE]
Ok you just confirmed what I suspected…Restroom doors at gas stations in Brasil are locked and you have to get a key somewhere. Great that you are experienced and know that 
good for you. Obviously there was a lack of information in the swimmers otherwise they would have gotten the key from the guy at the cashier first before they went to the back. And obviously they did not think to get the key from the cashier then, maybe they didn’t know and were just frustrated that the doors were locked?? After all they are men and because I am European and because sometimes restrooms are not readily available I can tell you European guys take it easy then and use a convenient spot. And obviously these Americans did this too. After all it was night and probably not too populated. Not everybody is so perfect and organized as you obviously are. And I can confess you for me it is kind of humiliating to ask some strange looking guy at a gas station for the key to the restroom. Have done it all my life but I still try to avoid it… I think guys are lucky in some ways…
Lots of bathrooms in the usa (especially gas stations) are locked and require a key. Also fast food joints in shadier areas. While I wouldn’t necessarily expect suburbanites to be aware of this…I guess…I do think pro athletes and um single douchebags in their 30s who’ve spent most of their lives getting drunk and whoring around the world to be aware that sometimes bathroom doors are locked and require a key.
[QUOTE=Manni01;8810825]
Ok you just confirmed what I suspected…Restroom doors at gas stations in Brasil are locked and you have to get a key somewhere. Great that you are experienced and know that good for you. Obviously there was a lack of information in the swimmers otherwise they would have gotten the key from the guy at the cashier first before they went to the back. And obviously they did not think to get the key from the cashier then, maybe they didn’t know and were just frustrated that the doors were locked?? After all they are men and because I am European and because sometimes restrooms are not readily available I can tell you European guys take it easy then and use a convenient spot. And obviously these Americans did this too. After all it was night and probably not too populated. Not everybody is so perfect and organized as you obviously are. And I can confess you for me it is kind of humiliating to ask some strange looking guy at a gas station for the key to the restroom. Have done it all my life but I still try to avoid it… I think guys are lucky in some ways…[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree that it is a drag to find the door locked and to have to ask the attendant for a key. So you and I both have had to do that and are aware that when the door is locked one asks the attendant for a key. Of course common sense would tell us that gas stations in some places have to lock up the bathrooms because they have experienced theft, vandalism, people camping out, high usage from non-customers or other problems, and the resulting action of locking the door has the benefit to us of providing a clean, safe, and well-stocked bathroom. This is not uncommon in the U.S., especially in cities. I know it, you know it, and I am positive Lochte and his pals have encountered a locked bathroom in their lives. There was no lack of information. They didn’t come from the homestead to the big city, encounter a locked bathroom, scratch their heads and say, “Whaaat? What does this mean? The door will not open! What do we do? What do we do?”
I have never been so humiliated that I chose to break the door down and so angry that I vandalized the place, nor have I ever encountered a locked door on anyone’s property and decided that a good option was to kick it open, or become enraged and damage the premises by ripping things up, knocking things down, or peeing on the structures.
I can’t get past the “maybe they didn’t know” to ask for a key; all I can think of is, really? Really? Lochte is clearly not a bright bulb, but really? Do you really think that none of these guys has ever encountered a locked restroom? What 32-year-old U.S. male has never encountered a locked restroom?
So getting beyond that, let’s say they had to pee immediately, all of them, because they could not hold it a second longer. All four of them. Let’s just say that. Don’t you think if they had discretely peed on the bushes behind the gas station and quietly gone their way without kicking doors, breaking signs or PEEING ON THE BUILDING, and apparently, acting loud and obnoxious, the issue wouldn’t exist? I am convinced of it.
But in any case, these men are not European and they know well that urinating in public can bring at least, a fine, and at most criminal charges of Indecent Exposure — the point being that it isn’t done. Everyone knows that, and it is not a common or accepted practice in the U.S. to urinate in public. In an emergency, a guy is going to be discrete. In any case, when Lochte chose to urinate on the building instead of the bushes, he wasn’t just relieving himself, he was being aggressive, ugly and a vandal.
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