The dreaded CR

[Jealoushe]

The new rules came into play that 5 rails in showjumping means you are done for the day. I heard that riders were being stopped mid course when they get 5 rails. Has anyone seen this?

Just from anecdotal evidence I have seen in the results section, for the most part some horses with CR have either fairly high dressage scores or very low dressage scores. Some riders have experienced this a few times already this year.

If they are being pulled up mid course as has been suggested that is absolute nightmare fuel

I’m curious if Canada is following suit on the new rules.

[Highflyer1]

If you are mid course and have already had 5 rails you are already living the nightmare.

[Jealoushe]

so true…do you think this is releaving them/us of our misery then?

[millerra]

not a fan of the rule - saw it applied when stadium was after cross country. The horse/rider had a beautiful intermediate ride X-country. Stadium next day - the round was smooth but the horse wasn’t especially careful w/ his toes. Nothing dangerous or outrageous at all - actually pretty classy except for the toes. the pair got a CR - I thought that was a bit punitive. I’ve seen far “less safe” rounds that don’t result in CR…

[Jealoushe]

Did they stop the rider mid course?

[millerra]

the rider in my story even was in the awards line up and then had to give up the awards- so no, they didn’t pull her up mid-course

[Highflyer1]

If it’s happening it’s probably for the same reason they ask you to stop after eliminating you for refusals. I can say from personal experience that the only time I had 5 rails I wish I had had the brains to pull up and reevaluate. Either you’re having a really bad day and should stop and fix the issue at home… or you do it routinely and should stop and fix the issue at home.

[Willesdon]

So if a horse refused three times at one SJ fence is the judge supposed to say “There, there, dear, don’t worry [pat on the head, little consoling hug] just carry on” so no one gets upset? No! Three refusals at one fence = elimination and no one seems to get upset about that. I doubt people expect to continue their round at that point. So why do so many people have a thing about FIVE cumulative rails leading to elimination and being pulled out of the arena. It allows the next person, who might still have a chance of winning, to get on with their round.

The test, at this point of the competition is Show Jumping in an arena with over fences that fall over. It has nothing to do with success or otherwise in the xc phase of the competition. Eventing has three separate phases and they are scored independently of each other and only when all three are done are the final penalties calculated. You all know that. The horse has made itself clear: go home and work on it.

[millerra]

um wow - maybe I’m reading too much into your post. I simply related a rider I observed. Her horse was jumping well except for the toes. He tapped the rails and they came down. I thought it was unfortunate and the horse’s forte is simply not show jumping. From what I recall, the rule was put into place for safety… it didn’t seem to apply in this case. Tapping rails is a bit different than slamming on the brakes and saying no or jumping awkwardly and having bad jump after bad jump, in my humble opinion. And she did continue, and was even included into the awards ceremony - and then had the awards pulled and she receive a CR. I don’t understand necessarily the point of elimination after 5 rails - unless its for safety reason. Anyone remember AN and Spinning Rhombus (IIRC)?

[Gardenhorse]

It’s not punitive, it’s simply the new rule. The fact that the rider was initially in the awards ceremony means the SJ judge needs more training. The SJ judge should have realized she was eliminated and pulled her off course as they would have for any other elimination.

[TXnGA]

Never heard of someone being pulled up in the middle of their sj but after round, TD did discuss with them after said round

[fordtraktor]

WTF. Who continues on after 5 rails and thinks the nightmare is the TD? Come on. That isn’t acceptable riding.

[enjoytheride]

Some might consider jumping by braille to be abusive. Why continue riding a horse that is either beyond his level of scope, doesn’t care about hitting things, or has such a poor pilot that he’s being placed to unjumpable distances?

I saw the TD pulling riders up after 5 rails at the last recognized HT I volunteered at. The bell was wrung and the rider was asked to leave.

[fordtraktor]

What is the point? You think 5 rails is OK ever? Why? I have been riding for 30+ years on 100+ horses and never pulled 5 rails. Get the horse a vet. At the Intermediate level it is especially wrong, the horse is asked to jump big while sore.

[Jealoushe]

Interesting thank you for your story. What date was this event?

[Jealoushe]

I will say sometimes it’s the course. There was an event I was at this fall where the average SJ score was 12/16. Handful of clears through the entire day, Most had 3 or 4 and many had 5 or more.

[Jealoushe]

To me the nightmare is living with the embarrassment Not saying people should be embarrassed I just personally would be mortified. I’m sure my time will come although I hope it never does lol

[millerra]

really guys? not my horse, not associated with the rider. getting attacked for being a bit empathetic for the rider, being told it was for safety before cross country, have it applied after cross country and not understanding the rule because it wasn’t applied until AFTER the round was over.

No wonder I rarely post here.

[fordtraktor]

It sounded like you felt the nightmare was not being able to complete.

As for the doing stupid crap that doesn’t hurt my horse, I have done that so often I have no shame. Jumping around on 5 rails, well, I’d retire after 4 now if you don’t want that on your record, but to get there isn’t anything to be happy about going on over. Funny you got someone to take the bait and actually think it is a good idea to complete on 5+ rails.

[fordtraktor]

I have all the empathy for a bad day, we all have them. Not being able to finish on a number? Who cares if you aren’t going to finish on a decent number, IMO.