The rule was put in place because of safety concerns - that doesn’t mean everyone affected by it is necessarily unsafe. It is applied even if SJ runs after XC for consistency. No other penalties depend on the order of the jumping phases.
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If the horse was rapping that many SJ rails, I’d hazard a guess he rubbed lots of the XC jumps too, even if he made it over. At some point, a careless horse is dangerous. Time for a new career perhaps.
And note: I think of this DAILY with my young horse who is very clumsy and doesn’t seem to care about hitting a fence. I’m giving her time because she’s just turning 5, but that might just be the answer - jumping might not be her sport…
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NO lol the nightmare being embarrassed to be pulled up mid course, everyone watching… nothing about not completing. That I have experienced just a few years ago when I got eliminated for forgetting to take my bell boots off for dressage lol Wasn’t a nightmare just a laugh and a disappointment in myself!
The second bolded line - I have no idea why you would say that because that was no where near the purpose of the thread nor do I know why you would think that?
I started the thread because I am curious if this is actually happening as I have heard it was. So far we have one person saying they have seen it themselves.
Yes, I’ve seen horses get pulled for CR mid course.
Yes, I’ve ridden a horse that liked to touch the top of the rails as if he wanted to make sure he wasn’t wasting energy. I felt like it was intentional. He would not be competitive in today’s world with the super light rails and shallow cups. It is a different sport today.
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Thank you for sharing!
I’ve also seen people get pulled up midcourse.
I know a few people ended up with CR last weekend Ocala but I wasn’t there.
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Interesting, thank you. I wonder what the reasoning is to stop them mid course.
So do you think that if someone gets eliminated XC for having 3 stops we should just let them finish stopping their way around the course?
While you can argue that this could be a teaching moment, it’s also a HUGE safety concern to allow someone to continue after they’ve been eliminated. Is it because we don’t take show jumping fences seriously or feel that they could never cause a serious injury? You seem to be very active on the other safety threads, is having rails down not a concern for safety as well?
While I recognize that at unrecognized events we often let a rider continue after elimination (having taken advantage of this myself once cleared for safety and with much more to learn at home), we don’t usually do this at recognized events.
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I guess I never thought of it in those terms; as in that they are eliminated so they get the boot. That does make sense, since if you fall off or go off course the same thing would happen.
I’m not arguing for or against the rule, or for or against pulling riders up. I was more curious about how it was being handled, if people were eliminated after the fact or mid round, since the rounds aren’t really that long to begin with.
Looking at the results on useventing, I can see that some are not being pulled up at the 20 mark, since they where able to get more than 20 faults. These where all different shows (except the last 2 examples), but 2 at the same venue, the rest various (all area 3- since area 3 has the shows going currently, but both ocala and aiken).
Looks to me that they are allowing you to finish your course usually, but I’m not sure the correct way to handle it.
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Not necessarily-- it’s possible someone might have a stop (or two at Training/Modified) as well as rails.
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@Jealoushe by take the bait, I just meant some people are still against the new CR rule and were saying it was unfortunate. I totally didn’t mean anything about you personally.
I still think it’s pretty crazy how many eventers raised an outcry when the rule first came around. To me it is a very sensible safety rule, and protects horses. I personally think they should be rung out at 5 rails because something, somewhere is likely wrong with the horse. Time to go home and reevaluate, IMO, and it might prevent a wreck as well.
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As I’d said, I have personally witness an event where riders were rung out at 5 rails. It might not be uniform but it does happen. It caused a lot of uproar as SJ was after XC and it was a new rule and some people were very upset.
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The actual USEA rule book isn’t specific as to whether a horse is stopped on course after 20 penalties or if the CR is given at the end of the round.
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No difference if the 5th fence was actually last on course… .
I do think the scoring programs should list where the rails (&/or refusals) took place as they tend to for less than 4 rails rather than simply marking it CR. (Same goes for E, MR, RF—once the competitor is no longer getting a numerical score event entries for example simply put in the letter code)
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Maybe the new rule is to help stop people moving up levels when they shouldn’t. If people get completes (or even place !??) with 5 rails in SJ, then they can move up. As for stopping mid-course, why not? It makes it easier for event organizers, who won’t have the burden of trying to decide whether someone dropping that many rails is safe, and they don’t have to worry about making a decision that pisses off a rider/trainer. Much easier for everyone: 5 rails you’re done.
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Am I the only one who raised an eyebrow at the 36 SJ jump penalties score? I’m having a hard time understanding the rationale to keep going long enough to accumulate that many rails. Seems like a sign that it isn’t your day and you should pull up and retire long before reaching 36 penalties. I wonder if the CR rule wasn’t in place if they still would have gone and run XC.
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I wonder too. I do know the horse has been sold to a lower level home after doing a little snooping. This horse has been successful at that level but seemed to always have more rails than most at that level.
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yeah if your SJ scores matches your dressage score, that’s never a good thing.
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5 rails was not a qualifying score/ NQR even before this rule.
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