The expectations of owning a Corgi

I will also encourage you to rehomeyour corgi. I’ve had corgis in my life for over 50 years…right now 3…all neutered males. They have been to obedience and agility classes, visit nursing homes as therapy dogs and all have their good citizen certificates. They need an alpha trainer and a lot of exercise and stimulation. 45 minutes power walking every day no matter what…short training sessions for tricks or whatever and a lot of consistency.

I like herding dogs and not sporting/hunting dogs or terriers but the herders want a job and I do like that.

Six hours in a crate? Your dog is smart and bored, not a good combination. Seems like everyone is telling you the same thing!

[QUOTE=Marshfield;8594313]
I’m going to beg to differ. I know more MACH corgis than I can count. The only ones I know who are “jerks” are the ones whose owners didn’t bother to train them.[/QUOTE]

I actually don’t necessarily mean it in a bad way, if that makes sense. It’s an endearing “you’re a butt face sometimes” sort of thing; they just have a lot of opinions. That’s not to say aren’t amazing working partners for many!!! They’re just a VERY different dog than a, say, border collie. They ask more questions.

I think they’re REALLY CUTE and totally see the appeal, but they’re not the breed for me. I also like very quiet horses. :wink:

[QUOTE=Houndhill;8594252]
Does anyone actually have dogs who have access to a cat litterbox, but who are actually trained not to get into it?

Just curious!

I suspect the answer is yes (I marvel), but just want to hear it confirmed.

Breed? Training technique?[/QUOTE]

Mine (collie) but not due to training per se. Because the cats are the boss and she wouldn’t DARE enter a space she perceives to be theirs. She also just doesn’t eat/roll in poop and dead things. No interest

[QUOTE=DJohn;8594322]
I just imagine this idiot dog crapping, eating it, running rogue on the roads and through the paddocks.

Honestly, it sounds like a waste of time to try and “fix” this dog as you don’t seem to really like the thing. There’s nothing wrong with not liking the dog, sometimes you just don’t click. I for one do not like Corgis at all. Too much yip/nip and not enough intelligence.

You have two options:

  1. Give it away to someone who likes corgis. Maybe your farrier would be interested? Or a Corgi re-homing group?

  2. Get a shock collar and see what happens. If he knows the boundaries, you should be able to enforce the “NO” with a little zap.

Good luck with the little crap head.[/QUOTE]

Really? I see no evidence that the OP has really tried to train the dog at all. I certainly wouldn’t introduce a shock collar to a dog that has been allowed to do whatever he pleases already. It’s not the dog’s fault that the OP allows it to eat garbage, get in to horse paddocks, or wander.

How to prevent that? Leash, fence, crates, locks. Unless you are working your dog, in which case it needs 100% of your attention and you can expect 100% of his.

I use e-collars on my dogs every day. But not to just zap them “no” “No” “NO!” when they are at liberty. When they are off leash, they have my full attention. When they are in the yard, I don’t need to watch them. That’s the point of a fence.

OP, I have stayed out of this conversation because most posters have already covered the basics…manage till you get training in place.

You were lucky and unfortunate to have a self training dog in your golden. Lucky because it made that dog easy to live with but unfortunate because that is now what you think dogs should be like. Most are not. Most are d-o-g-s. Animals which unless channeled run true to their species, eat an amazing amount of disgusting thing, are completely oblivious to human dangers in their environment and are truly an alien species to our own.

With that I am moving on. Others have said you need to train your dog, but they have not given any suggestions on HOW to do that and what to do. If you are not familiar with clicker training, that is my method of choice. It clearly marks the behavior you want (ie: stay beside me, lie down, sit or come), and it will involve his food. When I have a foster or new-to-me dog, I carry their kibble in a baggie in my pocket and train one or two things every few minutes. Right now I’m laid up after surgery, and my current Corgi has been crated for about 5 days. That has made him a little tense with my other big dog and so we are working on Dr. Karen Overalls Relaxation Protocol here while I type. He is lying on a hip, waiting for his next piece of breakfast. When his kibble is done, he goes back in his crate. If I want to have a training session in between breakfast and dinner, I save out a portion to use in the afternoon.

I am sorry you have such negative feelings toward your little dog, if he is like the other Corgis I’ve known, he is smart and sweet, just uneducated.

[QUOTE=Houndhill;8594256]
Does anyone actually have dogs who have access to a cat litterbox, but who are actually trained not to get into it?

Just curious!

I suspect the answer is yes (I marvel), but just want to hear it confirmed.

Breed? Training technique?[/QUOTE]

I do not know how it happened, but my first corgi neither touched the litterbox nor the free feeding cat food bowl. He did once, I told him if he ever did again, I would have to kill him dead, and he never touched it again in all 13 years of his life. He even slept in the same room (it was my home office) and never touched whether I was in there or not.

But seriously, I call that one exceptional dog, not just an exceptional corgi (he was both). Not so much my mad training skills.

But my young corgi doesn’t touch the litter box either. All I ever did was just tell him it was not an approved area and he stayed away. Fortunately I don’t leave free feeding cat food out because I know there would be no force on earth that would stop him from finishing it off. But when I feed breakfast and dinner he is always fed last (fastest is lastest), so he does sit around for a good long time watching 3 cats eat dinner without so much a thought about crowding them out. He waits until they are all gone about 5 minutes then does a dedicated licking of the empty bowls.

I trained my Chi/mini Pin who did like the litterbox to stop getting in it, but like I said before he is very sensitive and I rarely tell him “NO” in my serious horse growl about anything. When I do, he takes it really seriously. I think it took once or twice and I only did it when I caught him in the act…he hasn’t touched it again. I am sure he would like to but he won’t dare, he is a rule follower and I am pretty sure my horse voice gives him heart palpitations.

My JRT never listened like that. It isn’t my special training techniques or anything. The Jack wasn’t all that interested in the litterbox but if he had been, he would have done as he darn well pleased. I had to gate off anything I didn’t want him in.

[QUOTE=fordtraktor;8589598]
I don’t think OP was lying about the old dog. I had the DEVIL’S OWN JRT and now I have an angel of a little mutt dog who sounds just like her old golden. I tell him no once and he stops doing stuff. He’s amazing especially since the JRT never did anything I asked him to do in all his 14 years. I used to say the JRT thought he was a cat and I think it was true. he sure listened like one. But I loved that dog, such a character! My current dog is such a relief, though. It isn’t like I train him any better or different, he’s just actually receptive. and no, OP, I won’t trade!

For the litter box, for the old dog I put up a baby gate so the cats can jump over but the dog wouldn’t. For this dog, I just said “NO” once. I get it![/QUOTE]

I agree, there are some dog breeds that I wouldn’t consider as a pet based on their personalities. Yes, yes, each breed can have differing behaviors, but most breeds have a basic pattern. I grew up with border collies, we lived on a farm. Those dogs were wonderful, in that setting. I’d never have one as a pet. Herding dogs, as well as many working dogs just need so much more attention than other breeds.

Now don’t get in a huff if you own the world’s most laid back huskie or gsd. I just see so many active dogs in the shelter because they are out of control. They need a job, an active job. Not just as a family pet. But something that gives them the physical and mental exercise they require to be the good dogs that they were bred to be.

I didn’t read all the pages in this thread, but I would guess you would be much happier finding that dog a new home than spending the next 15 years living with it. Even with training it won’t change, I don’t care what corgi lovers tell you.

[QUOTE=S1969;8592061]
Again - like which breeds? Which breeds are born more willing to listen to their masters? That’s a statement I would probably never make; because most dogs need training and consistency. Maybe a Golden would be more of a “pleaser” but I wouldn’t assume that they would necessarily be more obedient about things like garbage cans.[/QUOTE]

There are many breeds that are “people pleasers”. Go look up personality traits on the American Kennel website. And there you will also see traits for hunting, herding, etc. If you think a Llapso Apso (sp?) is in the same behavior league as a Corgi or a JRT than you don’t know dogs!

[QUOTE=Gestalt;8595103]
There are many breeds that are “people pleasers”. Go look up personality traits on the American Kennel website. And there you will also see traits for hunting, herding, etc. If you think a Llapso Apso (sp?) is in the same behavior league as a Corgi or a JRT than you don’t know dogs![/QUOTE]

Of course! I own sporting dogs and they are big people pleasers. But they will run all day if you let them. And eat garbage. And eat cat poop. And horse manure.

There may be some breeds that are less obstinate than a Corgi, but I don’t think you can convince me that there are breeds that don’t need training and/or containment from horses, manure, garbage and cat poop. Unless you get really lucky, which it sounds like the OP did with her first dog.

What breed would you recommend to someone that doesn’t want to train or contain their dog? I can’t think of any.

That is like asking what breed of horse would you recommend for a total beginner who doesn’t know how to ride at all. it has a lot more to do with the actual horse (or dog) than the breed. But some breeds are more or less likely to be that kind of horse or dog than others…still, I’d never recommend a “breed” in response to that kind of question.

[QUOTE=S1969;8595261]
What breed would you recommend to someone that doesn’t want to train or contain their dog? I can’t think of any.[/QUOTE]

Very very low energy, smaller, non-hound types. Bulldog. Peke. Pug.

BUT I agree, even those require SOME training. But they are less likely to roam and need less exercise/mental stimulation to prevent them from getting into trouble. Small enough not to be able to reach stuff as easily. No breed is totally foolproof, but I would not have selected a corgi for someone who wants an easy-to-train dog that they can mostly ignore who will just sit around and not wander off or get into trouble. Some other breeds are more likely to be that way, just because they’re less high-energy and a little “duller” type.

[QUOTE=dogdays;8594346]
I raised Corgi’s for 30 years and have owned them for 38.
My experiences have been they are loyal, smart, and adorable.
My corgi’s never leave my side and even watch my every move in case I might get out of their sight and have some fun without them. .[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I forgot in my post, as I was typing velcro dog (Maggie, the younger Corgi) was glued to my leg (I left them at Mom and Dad’s for 36 hours while I vended at an even. The horror.) They are rarely to never out of my sight. Tucker ‘herds’ people and has to be positioned so she can see the maximum number of people in the house, and the most common thing to hear from Mom is “You don’t have to get up and follow me, dog!” as unlike most dogs she’s had (GSDs and mutts) Tucker must follow and keep the human in sight at all times. Even when “running away” (if Maggie busts out the door after a squirrel before we can stop her) she’ll stay largely in sight. Helpfully they are sprinters not stayers, and even at a brisk walk I can usually keep her in sight.

I am sorry for you. Corgi owning is not for everyone. I won’t have another, unless it would be the ONLY dog we had. Ours had some great features, while her other attributes were just nasty to have around.

She loved us, loved ALL children of any size. Did since she was a tiny puppy. She would do the guerilla crawl to any child, start licking their hands and wiggle all around them for patting and good words.

She loved us, would do ANYTHING at times, some destructive like during storms, to be with us.

Dog crate is your GOOD friend. Use it. Ignore the pleading brown eyes, to correct or prevent problems. Lock up the little dog when it won’t obey, you are angry, he is contained to PREVENT him getting into things he is not supposed to get into. Mine would NOT mess in her crate unless she was really sick. She would make a mess when not crated if she considered I was late letting her out. Her crate was also her refuge, food was served there, she had no storm issues if locked in her crate like crying. She would just lay on her back, feet up, go to sleep no matter how loud the thunder or brightly the lightning flashed. It was her “safe” place then.

Get some child gates, gate off rooms with cat box, to not allow access. Cat will jump over easily. Close the bathroom door if you don’t want to use a gate there. Get used to knocking before entering the closed bathroom.

I put fence panels around my birdfeeders. Prevented dog eating all the dropped seeds and shells around the birdfeeders.

Mine developed a problem with her liver, from being a glutton about eating stuff and a few too many treats from husband and DD. She could have NO fat in her diet then, could not metabolize it, so she went on a strict dry food diet, 1 cup of lowest fat, dry dog food I could find. She regained her svelte figure again, ran and played much more being lighter weight again. Though she always gave me dirty looks each time I put the dry food in bowl in her crate. A treat was dry Cheerios, a bread crust, vegtables and any tomatoes she could steal off the plants to suck dry. Never ate them, just wanted the juice. She lived another 6+ years on this diet, was VERY active. We did some home “medicating” the couple times she stole things and ate them, like a bird suet cake and a bar of rat poison!! We saw her eat them, got right on it. I gave her salt water to make her vomit, which worked pretty well. Didn’t know about peroxide then. She did not have a liver attack, so saved $400 Vet visits on that.

She hated the big dogs, even though big dogs never did anything to her until she attacked them. She did NOT learn from the experience, once healed, she was right back at it, until we had to keep her in a different part of the fenced yard, apart from big dogs. She would jump them from behind, for no reason WE could figure out, watched it happen. Big dogs were nice about it, tried to just hold her down until we got there, but she was terrible on that. This was one big dog after another, not several at once.

Corgi was good in crowds, at dog shows with DD, riding as a carriage dog. Extremely cute, friendly to all people. She was small, best weight was about 18#s, fat at 22 pounds. She had a good body, never had back issues (never allowed to jump up on things, few stairs to climb, lifted in and out of the truck), no Corgi eye problems. From working stock dog lines, well marked, correct coat, no fluffy or curly. Docked long, so she had a stub of a tail, not no tail at all.

We managed the constant shedding with a weekly brushing, combing and vacuuming, which seemed to last the week. Winter hair came off quick with a bath, blow-dry with the horse vac, combing and brushing, vacuuming daily for about 5 days. She was slicked off then, with loose hair enough to make a flock of Corgis! We then went back to the weekly vacuuming and brush out. If grooming weekly is not kept up, Corgi hairballs will take over your house!! They shed constantly, year around, rather like GSDs will, which we have had previously.

Corgi is a breed apart. Though in the Working Dog category, they are unlike other dogs there. They ARE independent thinkers, always “know best” kind of like Terriers at times. I had to get and use an electric dog collar to have my Corgi coming dependably. She argued before that, gave me the one finger doggie Salute! We have a well fenced yard, she did not get out, but ignored me to go about her business until SHE decided to come over! Not acceptable here, so the electric dog collar changed how things happened. She also barked a LOT, at almost everything. With her ignoring commands, consistently applied and carried out, we went with an electric bark collar. It corrected with no humans around, WHEN she went on too long. It did work too, barking was for things of importance then. She “told me” of problems on several occasions, after learning about the bark collar and not needing it on all the time anymore. Horses loose in the barn yard, someone who opened the barnyard gate and drove in that was not family. She had “reasons” for carrying on then, and I listened, got things taken care of.

Corgis are a breed apart in my experience, not like “regular dogs” in reactions, behavior. She was a wonderful dog for DD who loved her dearly, but her bad side was pretty amazing.

Her replacement is a very nice little dog, mixed breed Sheltie and Cocker Spaniel. He LOOKS like a little Border Collie, kind of a tiny Lassie with floppy ears. Lovely long silky hair, always cheerful, LOVES the big dog who also loves him. He does not bite or fight, though he is food oriented, also on a strict diet with portions allowed. He is great in crowds until you meet a Border Collie owner who SWEARS we must be confused about his heritage, he is just a small (name your BC breed lines) model. They are adamant he MUST be BC and we try to leave quickly then! I saw his dam and sire, yep he is a mixed breed dog! He and big dog do everything together out in the yard. He is turning into quite the squirrel hunter, learning patience waiting (very hard on Sheltie breeding), the guerilla crawl to get closer, all from watching the big dog and copying her. He blocks the squirrel from escape while big dog catches it to flip in the air.

Good luck with your Corgi. Take charge of him, control his actions, access to places he is not allowed because he does bad things in there. Crate him to prevent problems. You are Top Dog or he is, which means he can ignore you. They can be amazingly stubborn, but smart enough to learn, be obedient if you are persistant. They do accumulate fat in the liver, so try NOT to feed fatty food, not give treats or share your food often, to prevent problems and obesity.

They were bred to be herding dogs…they need to work! I have several friends who do agility with theirs. I have 2 half Corgis (one Corgi X Rat Terrier and one Corgi X Aussie Shepherd) and they can both be energizer bunnies if I do not let them run around the farm. I have had to use a shock collar on the Corgi X Aussie Shepherd as she would zone me out and chase the horses. No more than 3 zaps and “Leave It” commands, so doesn’t need it anymore.

A good Corgi is a tired Corgi.
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You are expecting your dog to KNOW is has been bad or that is shouldn’t do something. Corgis are not Goldens (thank goodness ;)). If you want a Corgi to act like a Golden, then rehome your Corgi and get a Golden.

I’m in Western NY and an experienced corgi owner. Love the little buggers. If OP is anywhere near me, you are more than welcome to add said corgi to my pack. We adore their antics. I’m a stay at home mom with a service dog I trained. My dogs are my life and I can’t imagine it without a corgi. :smiley:

I’ve had two corgis. They are so smart that sometimes I think they are little humans in dog bodies. They both ran around my horses and barked hysterically, both ate kitty poop, both were pretty neurotic and obsessed with me. But I wouldn’t trade either one of them for anything. My Tucker passed away after a battle with D.M. a few years ago, and my Penelope was given to us as a 2 yr old in 2012- rehomed from a family who had “lost interest” in her. Though I can’t imagine someone not loving a corgi; perhaps they are just not the breed for you.

[QUOTE=chestnutmarebeware;8589574]
Sorry for chuckling, but my two corgis did everything you described, up until the day they died (1 at 15, 1 at 16). :lol: They had a VERY long adolescence, and had to be crated while I was out for eating books, shoes, purses, clothing, etc. until they were four! If I am allowed to generalize about the breed from just two examples, I would classify them as the most hard-headed and determined (in an utterly charming way!) dogs I’ve ever encountered.

Mine ate anything that didn’t eat them first (including a 30-count bottle of Dilaudid from my surgery, a 4.5-pound bag of puppy food—the dog sitter underestimated their will and intelligence, a 4.5-pound bag of cat food, several pairs of underwear, more paper than I could count, horse poop, cat poop, deer poop, assorted garbage, the cat’s fuzzy mice…the list goes on!). My vet offered to name his exam room in my honor, since I spent so much time and money there.

And yes, both these dogs were trained within an inch of their lives—but nothing overrides a corgi’s desire to do what they want. And it’s really hard to get mad at them with that corgi smile!

The late, great devil dogs, Snaffles and Andy![/QUOTE]

Awww, they were cuties. Sorry for your loss.

Although I found the OP story sad and a bit disturbing, I’ve enjoyed all the following corgi talk. As I posted earlier, I’ve had corgis in my life for 50 years now and my current three are just the loving heart of our home. Yes, our acreage is fenced, yes, they were crate trained as puppies and yes, they get a lot of walking, playing and grooming everyday. They are noisy but have never been destructive and they ignore the cat box.

Isn’t it kind of like having a horse that’s just not a good match? I’m hoping to read that he OP is going to consider re-homing.

[QUOTE=Magicboy;8596200]
Although I found the OP story sad and a bit disturbing, I’ve enjoyed all the following corgi talk. As I posted earlier, I’ve had corgis in my life for 50 years now and my current three are just the loving heart of our home. Yes, our acreage is fenced, yes, they were crate trained as puppies and yes, they get a lot of walking, playing and grooming everyday. They are noisy but have never been destructive and they ignore the cat box.

Isn’t it kind of like having a horse that’s just not a good match? I’m hoping to read that he OP is going to consider re-homing.[/QUOTE]

Maybe consider re-homing, maybe looking at her dog in a new light, if some of all that was new to her.