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Oh yes, Uranass, I agree wholeheartedly. Eggy writes with lovely clarity and in such a concise and refreshing manner.
Eggy - you’ll get deleted. I did for EXACTLY the same words. This is one opinion you are not allowed to express here!
Like I said before, I didn’t realize how it was all scored. I guess I always assumed something relatively major (from my perspective) like breaking to the canter or rearing and running backwards was akin to knocking down a rail in the jumpers. A bummer of a momentary mistake that puts you out of contention, even though the rest was great. It seems odd that a performance with a major mistake could beat an Olympic-quality horse who didn’t have a major mistake. It’s not like Salinero and Satchmo are up against backyard nags. Or, from a dressage perspective, are they?
I get the point system now. Still seems odd to me, but I get it. I just never know a horse without something as simple as a halt could still win win win because of the point system. Has it always been this way?
I will say that besides that little, um, glitch, Satchmo did look pretty amazing.
Yes.
Which would you rather have win;
A test with 88% brilliance and 12% crap, which would look fantastic with an unfortunate error.
or
A test with all of it 76% of good, which would look pretty average.
I thought Anky was scored too high.
I was actually thinking it was interesting that so many of these recent dressage discussions seem to debate the same ideas that people unfamiliar with the hunter ring have trouble understanding. One missed movement seems to be akin to the one deepish jump or the swap at the fence that turn a top hunter’s 95 round into an 88, even though they still win because they’re the most quality horse in the class and the rest of the trip was just that good.
Someone (apologies, I can’t remember the poster) said something on the other dressage thread about how sometimes it’s expression over obedience in dressage, and I was really looking forward to using that the next time I was explaining the hunter ring to a dressage person ;).
I can’t really visually pick out what is better here, but the scoring makes sense to me.
Well, I would have been sick if Isabella Werth had gone backward through the arena siding, but can we try to keep from namecalling? Although that can be difficult if not wellnigh impossible.
sorry folks, I should not have posted what I was thinking. :no:
Poor sportsmanship is just so very unpleasant. How’s that? better?
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I have to admire how she just carried on, as if nothing happened. She’s really grace under pressure. She rode a lovely test.[/QUOTE]
That my dear is what makes a champion. Grace under fire. She went on like nothing happened and had a great ride. Jumbotron and all! :):):):):)
It was a strange oops moment. Very strange.
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I think if people took the time to understand how the technical aspects of dressage are scored and looked at the point distribution in the actual GP and GPS test, they might have a better understanding of the outcome.
On that note, I’d pay money to watch anyone tell Gary Rockwell in person that he robbed Courtney and Steffen by inflating Isabell’s and Anky’s scores. ;)[/QUOTE]
If that could happen I’ll volunteer to sell tickets. I could finance my riding for a year.
[QUOTE=J-Lu;3448316]
I think if people took the time to understand how the technical aspects of dressage are scored and looked at the point distribution in the actual GP and GPS test, they might have a better understanding of the outcome.
On that note, I’d pay money to watch anyone tell Gary Rockwell in person that he robbed Courtney and Steffen by inflating Isabell’s and Anky’s scores. ;)[/QUOTE]
I’d give money to see it too!! ANY TAKERS? He gave Anky a ten for her position! Why_why_why? I know someone will chime in that it was fair, and a good thing because she is perfect; but Jeese Louise, look at the judges___think man!
Give her an eight, and be done with it.
What are you expecting Rockwell to do, go on Jerry Springer and cry about it?
Previous poster, I’d really love to be there when you telll Rockwell that he judged wrong. Can I bring my video camera? Can you eat corn on the cob with no front teeth?
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I agree, with the exception of some tension is some of the other movements, however, my point was not that her ride was bad, like I said, I love the horse, my point was that if it had been anyone but her or Anky, it would have severely reduced the score. To me, that is disobedience, isn’t that one of the major things dressage is all about? Same for Anky’s ride. I am actualyl more upset about Anky’s score than Isabel’s, Anky’s score was totally unfair.[/QUOTE]
At least I wasn’t the only one to see some tension issues that followed. The first canter pirouette had no flexion and very little contact, the half pass was on a wing and a prayer. Isabelle was very, very careful not to ask too many questions of Satchmo for the majority of the rest of the test.
Which does show how talented she is, to nurse him round, and he is to have such expression and ability when not totally right but makes me question the marks a bit.
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Old system, yes. In the new skating scoring system there are so many different deductions possible, you can have a fall and still beat a clean skate with a lower degree of difficulty or more small errors in execution. (For reference, look at the ladies’ skating from Torino 06–Sasha Cohen and Irina Slutskaya had more falls and errors than Fumie Suguri, the fourth-place finisher, in fact Sasha hit the ice twice, but both also had more difficult elements–higher spin values, higher grade of execution marks on footwork, etc. They racked up enough points that even with some serious errors, they still came out ahead of Fumie. The only “clean” program on the podium was gold, with Shizuka Arakawa and some argued she dumbed it down a little by taking out her triple-triples to avoid risking deductions for underrotating.)
Admittedly, many people now hate this, because while the average figure skating TV viewer (as opposed to obsessive fan) can’t tell a level one spin from a level three, everybody knows what a butt plant looks like. They had to change a little how jumps were being called because some people (coughJeff Buttlecough) were being given 0 or POSITIVE grades of execution for managing to rotate a quad in the air–even when they fell on the landing. That meant they still got points for a quad. (Now falls are downgraded.)
Dressage, IIRC, is scored in a similar way–you can have a major flaw on an element, but if everything else on the test has a high score, you could conceivably beat someone who was clean overall but whose scores were only middling.[/QUOTE]
I am a fellow obssessive skating fan who reads the CoPs! I wish Michelle could’ve skating long enough to tackle and conquer the CoP. No one can do a inside/outside spiral like her. The others wobble around. Of course she can’t hold her skate over her head the entire program although that has nothing to do with skating. The fact that she probably has the deepest and best edges around didn’t seem to matter. It’s skating folks. Look at the skates!
Back on horses, I can’t believe that Mythlius and CK-D didn’t score better. It was so calm and accurate and beautiful and flowing. I’m not an upper level dressage rider but maybe her piaffe could be more active behind (?), but it certainly stayed on the spot more than anyone before her. Her pirouettes were beautiful. I wish we could’ve seen the break down of the scores. What did she do wrong? Her horse wasn’t explosive on the verge of a nervous breakdown?
Isabelle was very, very careful not to too many questions of Satchmo for the majority of the rest of the test.
She asked him all the required questions , didn’t skip anything,:lol:
and he delivered.
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sorry folks, I should not have posted what I was thinking. :no:
Poor sportsmanship is just so very unpleasant. How’s that? better?[/QUOTE]
Yes, that way you don’t sound like such a jackass.
Oops, sorry, I guess I should not have posted what I was thinking. :no:
WTF
Must be one of those right brain - left brain things. More likely no brain though?
