I don’t think minis go to Mexico that much.
But this is taking this off on a tangent.
I feel for the involved, the complete 180 is a whopper that is hard to compute when on the receiving end.
I don’t think minis go to Mexico that much.
But this is taking this off on a tangent.
I feel for the involved, the complete 180 is a whopper that is hard to compute when on the receiving end.
Kill buyers will almost never take minis, so at least we can rule that sad situation out.
Some have wondered about how the vet could have been arranged for so quickly… our vet has been able to squeeze us in for sudden appointments & emergencies many times if we were on the route between two other appointments or the situation was dire. I have no idea what went down there. I do not believe they were sold. I hope their end was peaceful. I believe B that they are gone. So does our mutual BO friend.
Anther poster seemed to be annoyed that I started this anonymous thread to try and sort things out… many threads about different scenarios have been posted on COTH - with no names mentioned. Everyone has come together to puzzle things out, offer advice and maybe we all have learned something from them. There have been threads about boarding barn issues with BOs, staff and fellow boarders. Threads about family issues. Threads about trainer issues. Threads about neighbor issues. Threads about friend issues. This thread is no different from those… and maybe we can all take something away from it. Even if it is just that trying to help a friend out is still always a good thing, even if it all goes wrong…
My takeaway is to do something immediately. Hire a car and trailer and take the first second it is mentioned as soon as possible. Do not wait for a change of mind.
The other motive that occurred to me is jealousy. The possibility that someone else might use the minis for showing. Regardless of their age. Regardless as to whether or not the other person had any inclination to show. What a sad and heartless choice.
I just thought of this thread - One of the local rescues just posted on Facebook how they are full and doing all they can but it is not their responsibility to plan for your winter hay needs, etc.
In other words, an example of what some of us are saying here, rescues are full and over burdened already.
This seems pretty indisputable (though I guess on COTH anything can be disputed ). I don’t think that a rescue was ever being considered for these horses anyway though because a private party had agreed to take them in. I know you weren’t the first person to bring up rescues so this isn’t really directed at you, but I’m unclear on why anyone is arguing about the availability of a rescue in this situation when it doesn’t seem to have been one of the options considered.
I agree, I do not think a rescue was considered. My post was in response to the poster(s) who insisted the rescues were just chomping at the bit waiting for horses to be donated.
Just because one rescue is full doesn’t mean they all are.
They are overburdened with old/ lame/ sick horses. If you call them about placing a healthy, young, rehomable horse you’ll likely get a different answer. This is what people have been saying all along.
I’m so sad I missed the majority of this drama. I feel like it’s been a while.
FWIW, I may consider euthanizing my senior aged horses rather than give them to someone who a) can’t even haul in the case of an emergency and b) gets so irrationally upset that they post on social media about it. There are far, far worse fates for animals.
My guess, and it’s just a guess, is that B “heard” something about C or felt personally criticized at some point and chose to get salty about it. I’ve seen this happen before - somewhere there was a sh*t stirrer that thought they’d get involved.
But at the same time, it could be something completely different. I’ve offered a good home to a horse that was going to be PTS for not so good reasons, and the horse owner chose not to do that, ended up actually finally getting the horse cared for (which is good) but now is offering up the “heart horse that she didn’t want to have fall into the wrong hands” for sale and lease in all the local equine groups. I’ve come to the conclusion that said woman is just a flake, and I’m hopeful that the horse eventually ends up safe and cared for consistently.
It’s been my experience that some horse people are just…weird.
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I have explained the hauling issues that occurred that week that could happen to any of us… and it was not a flat out emergency at that point or C would have moved mountains to have someone else go get them. Mind you, B would not even let them go to her/our BO friend’s place - which is nearby - so she may not have let anyone else pick them up. C is more than capable of hauling in an emergency.
Irrationally upset? If you are referring to me… yes, I was upset and even angry when everything was fresh. But NOT when I spoke to B. If you had been involved in this and knew all the details - a lot of which I have not shared for privacy reasons, you might have been as well. I did not post all over social media about it… beyond this anonymous thread. Other anonymous situations have been posted on COTH and shared and discussed - are they found to be objectionable as well?
No updates… and I doubt that there will be.
A LOT of great horse owners don’t even own their own rig. Hell, I didn’t for my first decade of owning. Sure, in absolute emergency, my barn owner where I was boarding at would have hauled for me but going to go a set of minis in a non-emergency situation would have taken some time to get a ride back then.
This was not an emergency situation, though. Someone agreeing on a set date for a haul out is NOT an emergency, it was an agreed upon schedule. C had days left to go get the horses when B decided to put them in ground instead.
As for posting on social media, this thread is the only posts anyone has made that we know of.
I said they should threaten to out the owner for putting down healthy animals (because B very much wanted to keep that all hush hush) and I stand by that. If she did do this (it is unclear but likely given what’s been written), then she should not have horses again in the future. Full stop! The local mini community should know what she’s done and not give her the opportunity to kill any more healthy animals when they become “inconvient”. Remember, that was B’s words on why she was doing it, not the original poster.
Why are you jumping on the OP’s ass about this? I think it was a wonderfully kind gesture they were doing . These horses were going to a KNOWN good home. They were useful and healthy and you jump down the OP’s throat about a wonderfully kind gesture. Her heart is broken over the needless loss of these souls. Sorry but you’re being a dick. Happy holidays!
It was an emergency situation, though. That’s what I’m not understanding from my vantage point as an internet stranger trying to piece together this whole incident. When someone says “this animal needs gone by x date or it’s taking a lead nap,” believe them. That is a drop-whatever-you’re-doing- and-go situation. Especially if you are acquainted with that person & this behavior is uncharacteristic for them. You cannot wait until 24 hours before the last possible deadline as one might when vacating a rental house.
Intentional or not, the tone of your initial post conveyed a sense of urgency. I was imagining C calling B & begging them to wait until they could get a dead truck fixed. Yet with each subsequent post you seem to be taking huge steps back from that characterization of the situation. I don’t say this to try to assign blame to anyone. It’s just confusing. And reinforces the idea that there’s a more going on here than you, C, and the BO can know.
It was not AltersAreUs - but me. But you do seem to be assigning blame without knowing all the details - a lot of which I cannot share. But the timeline and the facts as related are accurate and the narrative remains the same.
We did not wait 24 hours before the latest deadline… C would have picked them up 4 days ahead of that.
I am not taking huge steps back from anything… C never called B to plead to wait until the truck was fixed. That never happened. They talked about the truck & trailer issues (that were not going to take very long) and when C might be there as a result. They chatted back and forth about the horses being in 4H. There was no sense of extreme urgency/emergency - just plans to get them moved. B moving her “deadline” back had nothing to do with any of that and was solely about the movers’ schedule. C did call to plead and beg as a last ditch effort after being told they would be PTS the next morning… to no avail. TBH, I think B would have moved the deadline again as she had said that they were not out until the end of the month (Nov. 30) anyway. But we will never know if that was going to happen - or why B changed her mind in the space of a few hours and decided to have them PTS.
And yes, it is confusing and concerning.
You cannot wait until 24 hours before the last possible deadline as one might when vacating a rental house.
These were supposedly friends with years of “horsing” around together behind them, working together to get horses from B’s home to C’s …not some nut case off of the internet screaming about the kill truck coming. B, out of the blue, with a schedule in agreed to and ready to implement, decided to kill her horses AND burn bridges with OP and C all in one day.
was an emergency situation, though. That’s what I’m not understanding from my vantage point as an internet stranger trying to piece together this whole incident. When someone says “this animal needs gone by x date or it’s taking a lead nap,” believe them. That is a drop-whatever-you’re-doing- and-go situation
Just want to chime in here for the benefit of anyone who wants to intervene in such a situationin the future, to say that in my experience, this is totally true. I have extensive experience with dog rescue/fostering in a major southern city with a large stray population and high kill shelters. DH and I regularly fostered (like, revolving door) for a couple of breed rescues. We (and our permanent dog, our pack leader) had a good system down.
One weekend morning, a neighbor posted on a neighborhood board about a lovely young dog who had clearly been dumped in their yard. Neighbor made it very clear that they did not want dog and would not keep it longer than necessary.
A lot of people chimed in about calling one of the local (oversubscribed, because @trubandloki is right) rescues, or the small, privately-owned (and REALLY oversubscribed) no kill shelter. Many people said they would happily get the dog in a few days, or a week, or if they didn’t have X, Y, or Z, or if the neighbor could do X, Y, or Z first. The person who had posted about the dog responded in about 24 hours and said they’d dropped the dog off at the county’s high kill shelter. And people LOST their minds at that person.
What I learned - without passing judgment on anyone in that situation, or anyone in OP’s story, is that when someone tells you they don’t want an animal anymore, and you want to help, step one is to GO GET THE ANIMAL. Whether it’s shame or guilt or hurt feelings or just the simple “inconvenience”, the person won’t take even small steps to make sure the animal ends up in a better situation (or at least, you can’t depend on them doing that).
Again, not trying to pass judgment - just saying that in my limited experience, @TheDBYC is right. Do not pass go - go get the animal. (My story has a happier ending - our house was “full” of dogs at that point, but we worked with another neighbor to tag team a rescue - we went to the pound and picked up “Rusty”, covered his adoption and vet fees, neighbors fostered him, we watched him the next weekend when they were out of town and used our rescue contacts to foster him, and he found a happy, loving home within about a month - we were lucky to have the time, resources, and network to help, and lucky he was not euthanized right away at the pound).
Do you know that the horses were definitely put down and that she didn’t, say, have someone offer to buy the horses and she took the money over the guaranteed good home?
This was my first thought too.
Unless this woman is some sort of psycho sadist, it’s hard to imagine why she’d choose the cost of euthanasia and the disdain of decent people over a rehoming scheme that costs nothing and incurs no bad feeling.
If these little guys are as nice as described, it’s very possible that she simply sold them.
When it involves complete strangers, sure.
You’d figure that when you have a longstanding working relationship this should not apply, aspecially when you are in constant communication.
Alas, it is water under the bridge, and I think in the end the big issue is not so much the equines and their fate, but the breach of friendship!