https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuNvxH5kSKU&list=RDMuNvxH5kSKU&start_radio=1#t=12
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But you just HAD to point out the bad training.
Then start a thread asking about it and ask what terrible training methods they use
But I think reiner men are the best looking out of all disciplines.
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Facts
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Keep in mind that around the world, cowboy is an American who works on a horse, so yes, the marketing is def aimed at the non-riders!
Should I start watching this show? I’m conflicted I don’t really watch shows but I love reining.
And yes there are trends in the show ring that happen that aren’t necessarily attractive/useful/have a purpose. Like the super low heads, or slamming the head down during a pause. But I suspect that they’ll pass and something else will catch on. I’m still a fan of the horses and the training it takes to get one to the show ring.
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I think you might enjoy it. It’s a TV reality show but it reminds me more of the Road to the MacClay over in HJ land then Real Housewives. Yes it’s cheesy in some spots. Yes it’s repetitive to fill the hour slot.
But I found it honest in the horse department as well as the pressure of earning your livelihood training horses and dealing with the pressure of finding suitable horses and paying for them, pressure from owners for bug wins the and difficulty of finding and keeping good help. In that it’s pretty good.
The other think that’s remarkable is the camera work, particularly from directly overhead. You can see the bend held and the horse ahead of the leg though more then one rotation and ending up dead on the line stopping the spin instead of losing the hind after the first revolution and getting one or two too many steps past the correct stopping spot. The spinning figure skater insert was a nice analogy. Likewise the overhead shots of the stops were very revealing in the straightness department.
The dry comments by, I think, Al Dunning, pretty much pointed out where a plus or minus was earned and in the final rides in the Cactus Classic, the one guy who blew it did try to change up his speed in the first circles and it didn’t work plus screwed up the rest of his pattern. Few words but dead on observation. Back gate comments are likely left in for drama but nothing you don’t hear all the time. Sour grapes.
Anyway, I liked it, Not the be all end all but can slobber over those specifically built and bred for the job horses for an hour a week, no problem. Even learn something, like the knee wraps and the hock pads set into the hind leg wraps. That’s new since I dabbled in it.
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I love reining, had the pleasure of riding with a few reining trainers around here and getting to ride some pretty dang well trained horses, for a while I was thinking about getting into. Might need to at least check this out, though it sounds like it might not be all that great.
I gotta say though, as much as I love watching it and appreciate the training that goes into those horses, some of them make me so nervous galloping the big circles. Some always look like they are about to fall on their faces. Stresses me out a bit.
I came back to say I watched episode #2 and I really liked it! Much better than episode #1. I really liked the side by side comparison to figure skating, that was very effective. The camera work was excellent. Much less focused on scripted personal drama, and much more focused on the horses.
Does anyone know the sport of reining well enough to comment on the trainers that are featured?
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Yes - I know all of them. What are you curious about?
Don’t know any of the trainers, but have been by the Scottsdale Ranches and been to West World —one question I have is when it says “Lifetime earnings 2.5 million,” I wonder what the “lifetime expenses” were --those horses are not free, the trailers they are pulling are high, high end, cost of showing is very high, and all seem to have many, many employees. The fact is a trainer can only work a limited number of horses in a day . . .and I think all of us who own horses know very few make an actual living sitting in the saddle. The big name reining trainer/rider near us (small potatoes compared to what we are seeing) actually makes his living, I think, from judging shows . . .his facility was a gift from his parents (used to be their farm). So are these people actually making a good living?
The “lifetime earnings” is what horses ridden by that person have won in competition. Now, the trainer is not getting that full earnings paycheck. It depends on their contract with the owner how earnings are paid out. Some trainers take 50% of winnings off the top, some do 50% after owner expenses are taken out (entry fees, show stall, etc), some take different percentages. Most of those trainers do not own the facility they are training out of. Jason does, Casey does, Craig/Ginger do, and I think Tom owns part of his (or at least the bank owns it and they are making payments on it). Andrea rides out of Rancho Oso Rio, Matt rides out of the Ruckman’s ranch, Cade rides out of his dad Tom’s place (see above), Abby rides out of Diamond Creek Ranch. Some pay board expenses to the owner or may train exclusively for them for a salary. Most trainers make their money in commissions on horse sales. As you note - those horses are not free.
No one wants to add up the “lifetime expenses” on what it takes to win the top events in the industry.
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Actually, the horses are free. Most Reining trainers do not own/show their own horses. The big names get their pick of the best two year olds in the country. Most of the show fees are paid for by the owners as well as the monthly training fee. Depending on the trainer, the earnings may be spilt with the owner of the horse. It depends on how the trainer works their deal. The trailers are high end and again, depending on thevtrainer, are written off as a business expense or paid for by the farm that employs them. I ride with a Reining trainer that would be considered mid level. She is paid by the farm she works out if as the barn manager. They provide her a few horses to show. She also takes in training horses and gives lessons. She makes a nice living!
Is Andrea really the “bad guy” that they have kind of portrayed him as? Does Abby really only have one horse to compete and one owner? She seems really competent. Is Matt really a struggling trainer, or is that just for show?
Just looking for some real info, not scripted reality portrayal.
No - Andrea is not a bad guy. He is very precise and meticulous and may not be the social butterfly in the group. But someone has to be the bad guy on the show and he’s the one that was picked.
No - Abby does not have just one horse. However, she has only one horse in her barn of that caliber. She has only been on her own since the start of the year.
No - Matt hit the big time with Easy Otie Whiz back in the 2000s. It looked like it was set to be the next big trainer and that just didn’t happen. Matt has made a huge comeback in the past several years and has a very successful online video business in addition to his training business. I’d highly recommend checking him out on FB and IG. He is documenting the road to the 2019 NRHA Futurity with his 3 prospects.
In fact, Andrea does a subscription video service also. Both his and Matts are very popular.
Who is your favorite trainer out of the ones portrayed on the show, and why?
Wow. I in no way ever meant to “bash” this sport at all. I really admire refiners and reining and love to watch my neighbor and her horses are just gorgeous. Let me be very clear, I am not trying to bash anyone! I just don’t understand what I’m looking at here.
Would love for the show to have more about the actual horses and explain it better.
Look, I fox hunt, so get totally eviscerated on a regular basis, so I get it that people don’t understand disciplines.
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Wow. I in no way ever meant to “bash” this sport at all. I really admire refiners and reining and love to watch my neighbor and her horses are just gorgeous. Let me be very clear, I am not trying to bash anyone! I just don’t understand what I’m looking at here.
Would love for the show to have more about the actual horses and explain it better.
Look, I fox hunt, so get totally eviscerated on a regular basis, so I get it that people don’t understand disciplines.
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