For real! All this bashing coming from a walker person. We could go there.
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No, it doesn’t get any better, sorry to say.
Kind of discombobulated, was all about people talking and mumbling around, mostly.
Maybe next episode will be more enlightening?
There is a serious difference between low headed and low necked…most reiners are bred to be “low necked” which is what you see on most of the show…low headed would be crammed and tied down…I have many low necked horses, also a few high necked ones. But you won’t find any gimmicks or contraptions in my barn!!
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I also noticed one horse at full gallop with its head lower than its withers. It wasn’t that extreme with the other competitors, and it didn’t look ‘balanced’ to me. Maybe I’ve been out of the game too long but I love to watch reining and thought it was odd. I even commented to my non-horsey husband about it. I realize the horses are bred to carry their heads lower but this one stood out. I think it’s the same horse and trainer that fell in the preview for the rest of the season, but it went by quick so I’m not sure.
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I don’t show or support padded horses. So that dog won’t hunt, sugar.
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Yes, that was unwarranted.
People will have their preferences, their likes and dislikes, but they should try not to be rude about them.
Rening like all other we do with horses has their good points and their fads and many good people and some not so nice ones.
The horses? Those are awesome.
Here is a video with some of the differences between a reiner and reined cow horse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BQW0MFUhL8
As you can see, a reiner is supposed to be willingly guided.
That means giving it rein and the horse moving without any resistances and soft.
For show purposes, that means lower in front than a horse more upright ready to take off after a cow, like a reined cow horse is represented when shown.
It is all about a stylization of the task of being amenable and willing partner as shown as a reiner and well trained to work cattle as required for the show. working cow horse competitor.
It is all about showing your horse and that is how fads happen, like for some reiners to carry their head super low.
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Does your record line up with Craig’s, Bob’s, or Al’s? If it does, I’m sure you will share your win record at the highest levels. What some amateur does or doesn’t do lacks the heft of Anky, or Laura, or Steffen, or Carl and Charlotte.
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No offense, but Al, Bob and Craig are hardly considered the biggest names in Reining anymore. Think of Shawn, Andrea, Ruben, as much bigger names. Secondly, I went to Bob’s website. Nowhere does he show, endorse or sell hock hobbles. Al had a pair on his under tack. I really do not understand why you have such an ax to grind. Several of us have commented that most people do not use them. I know we are lowly non pros but gossip gets around. You learn quickly who does what and whom to avoid.
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My point is people train and do things to horses across all disciplines. Not sure why you turned a thread about a TV show into bashing the featured discipline.
Pretty sure we we can go through all the disciplines and find horrendous training methods.
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I already stated that I’m not hating on the discipline. I responded to the comment about a restricted headset. That’s what I’m speaking to and talking about.
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None taken. I linked to a video of Andrea drilling on a horse above, I’m sorry you missed that. I’m sorry that you didn’t locate the items easily, a search of hock hobbles finds them quickly from a variety of retailers.
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Well said Bluey.
True that.
Reining is one of the places I have found the least of such practices, compared with plenty of other disciplines that have a long history of all kinds of sensible and right down crazy gadgetry.
One worthy of a Darwin Award is cutting lopers riding with only a string for rein, not attached to the snaffle, but as draw reins, from the middle of the cinch between front legs, passing thru the snaffle rings and to the hands, no real reins there.
If a horse were to stumble and you try to pick it up, all you would do is take it’s head away, keep it from rebalancing itself, even maybe cause it to flip on you!
Talk about crazy ways to use gadgets.
The link you provided earlier is not his website. Yes, I have seen hock hobbles advertised. One video of a trainer hardly constitutes drilling. Honestly, you sound bitter about the spot and not very knowledgeable. I am done discussing with someone who is determined to try and downgrade a sport as well as trainers within the sport.
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I must be missing something there, can’t find any link to any “Andrea drilling on a horse”?
Those hock hobbles are used in some breeding farms that do hand breeding, only place I have seen them in use.
I question then if during hand breeding a stallion may get tangled in those if a mare is not nicely receptive, some are not.
That would be the only time someone may want to use them and still, that is not a very safe gadget to use there.
I have seen all kinds of strange ways to truss up horses by all kinds of trainers in all kinds of disciplines.
Guess that some of that may make sense to them, other looks like a wreck about to happen.
In reining? Not around here, they just ride their horses.
Reining like all other we do with horses has their good points and their fads and many good people and some not so nice ones.
I’m not bitter, hateful, disgusted, downgrading, bashing, hating, hating on, railing against, etc etc etc. I’m not coming from ‘that’ place. I am sorry that my words have been taken in that spirit. I’ll bid you all a good day.
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Well, it did come across like that, sorry.
I found the video of Andrea.
You call that drilling, well, I expect he calls that training.
My guess, little I know, is that the horse has been showing a bit of resistance in his changes.
He can’t drill changes, that makes horses anticipate and nervous.
You work on that by getting the horse over that resistance by working on body control every place, without resistance anywhere and, what you may be missing, release when the horse is correct for a few strides.
As the horse becomes more flexible and soft without rushing, then he does a bit of counter canter and then asks for a change.
First few horse still shows that bit of resistance, rider keeps going steady and firm, horse is worked a bit more, then asked again.
Horse finally has smooth, correct, even changes, although not perfect yet, but improved, rider releases and lesson over for the day.
I expect, horse in that kind of barn has been looked over carefully all along, to be sure there is no physical reason, like got out of bed that morning with a kink on his back when changes became a sticking point.
There is so, so much going on in any horse training that we just don’t know, unless we are involved directly with it.
That is why we may say, it looks funny to me, not sure what is going on.
It is a stretch to say, look here, they are bad just because I don’t like it.
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As I said, I’ll bid you all a good day.
Reining is kind of the dressage of western riding, very, very technical, way more than most even know about in any kind of riding.
Not that others are not technical in what they do, just more than most.
I find extremely interesting that some disciplines are not about being the one that runs fastest, jumps highest, cuts a cow with the best style, rides out in the country like a gentleman, but try to work at some maneuvers with a finesse few others even understand.
As they say, different strokes …
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