The Maestro has written another book

[Mara]

@trubandloki

I keep coming back to the question of - why is it so bad to just be an adult ammy rider?

Why does NP think he has to be more than that?

If he’s like my ex-husband, he’s trying to impress someone, maybe a parent, and he’s spent a lifetime trying to impress that person to prove he’s “good enough”. In ex’s case it was his maternal grandmother who had raised Ex and his sister after their mother died. Grandmother always compared Ex to her much exalted son, Ex’s uncle (ex-SIL confirmed this to be the case. G-ma was apparently something of a battle ax).

Ex can’t really enjoy anything for its own sake - he has to be the best. He lacks the discipline necessary to reach the elite levels. For example, he wanted to be successful as a bike racer, and in fact did have some local wins and placings early on. But he wouldn’t train unless the weather was ideal and ate all the wrong things. A 5’9" sphere doesn’t win much.

The thing is, very few people do have the drive and the means to reach the elite levels of anything. And there is nothing wrong with accepting that. Ex couldn’t see that - and we argued about it a lot. He had to “prove” he could succeed to impress his dead grandmother.

The difference is that Ex didn’t try to con anyone into believing he was something he wasn’t. There was no grand conspiracy to thwart his ambitions and when he lost he didn’t accuse people of cheating or doping. He was just perennially unhappy.

[Angela_Freda]

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@Mara

Nobody puts the Maestro in a corner!!!”

Mare: “Watch this.”

[Angela_Freda]

He’s over on D Hub, thinking he has me blocked because he’s a snowflake, complaining the J Foy is a bad judge because he thinks, maybe she rode schoolmasters to get her scores…
While he’s rode the Second level “draft” hes so proud of riding… Which he rode at Intro or TL to a score of…? Below 60% I do believe. No, not in Eventing.

Now, is that Irony or Hypocrisy or both?

[MorganSercu]

@Unfforgettable

Just reading more about the so called “clinic” where he was showering multiple times a day and was inquiring about a hook-up because his wife was unavailable…there is some majorly serious instability there.

What the WHAT?! He doesn’t see a problem with this? Or at least afterward? (Going on the charitable thought that he is or was under a doctor’s care for reasons.) He put that out for public knowledge? Gross and inappropriate doesn’t begin to cover it, IMO.

[smoofox]

@Ambitious_Kate

One of the clinic sponsors said the lessons were short I forget whether a half hour or a 40 min lesson, that he asked her if there was anyone he could hook up with while he was there because he and his wife were in different zip codes, that he was verbally inappropriate with clinic riders, some of whom were minors, that he strangely took three or four showers a day, excusing himself during the clinic to shower, and that he offered little to teach other than walk trot canter and several people asked for their money back. She said when she called him to tell him people asked for their money back, he said he was busy and would call her back but never did. It didn’t take COTH to bring that clinic to that conclusion. Nick did that all by himself.

How are we even sure about the showers thing? Seeing as such a completely bizarre and WTF thing has never come up til just now - and that Iowa episode was years ago and many loooong threads full of oddness ago… color me extremely skeptical.

[Joanne]

@Mara

If he’s like my ex-husband, he’s trying to impress someone, maybe a parent, and he’s spent a lifetime trying to impress that person to prove he’s “good enough”.

This. Probably both of them.

[Mara]

I remember he made spaghetti (or something) for them afterwards, as a few of the attendees commented specifically on that. I would have thought they’d have mentioned him leaving mid-clinic to shower…

Not questioning Ambitious here, but maybe the clinic sponsor misremembers or has him confused with another wackadoo?

[smoofox]

I just think that facts are far more important than conjecture or weird theories or opinions presented as fact… and some of the speculation and what not in these threads crosses a line.

[Mara]

Found one reference to that clinic and NP cooking for them. OP looks to be yet another houseguest, but I know there were pictures somewhere on FB…

Nick Peronce Dressage Clinic

This past weekend Nick Peronce droveto Iowa from PA for a dressage!!! At the clinic we had beginners all the way up to advanced and Nick could help with something for everyone!! He really helped me with getting my OTTB supple. I was very impressed! He had a great attitude and is really easy to work with. After lessons he even cooked for us lol. We really enjoyed having Nick here and plan on having him back in March. If you guys ever get a chance to ride with him, do it!!!

I wonder how all those 10 movers in his barn are doing these days? They were “babies just getting started under saddle” back then…surely they’re setting records at GP now.

Nick uses exclamation points like they were on sale at Walmart. It’s one of his hallmarks as a writer.

[Paint_Party]

Thanks for putting both sides of this saga in one place. It’s both fascinating and scary how Nick creates such a different version of what occurred.

From Barn Manager’s View:
Nick’s resume turns out to be grossly misrepresented
He fails his audition: a brief interview, a riding test and a mini lesson
He lacks a sense of ease around horses and seems out of his element
He’s delicately sent on his way, just to get him gone

From Nick’s Viewpoint:
The difficult mare lacks basic training; won’t go forward
He must observe the problem; puts woman back on mare
Analysis: Mare needs work on longe line; gets mare unstuck (Puts woman on again)
It’s majickal! Woman can now trot the mare without “beating it like a donkey”
He’s confident that he has the job; conjures up a proposal on way home

The clashing of alternate realities results in a typical NP verbal tirade, laced with nasty expletives-- which he does not deny-- when his $2,000 a month salary proposal is rejected.

This is such a classic example of what you get when you attempt to deal with him. This entire exchange needs to be preserved for anyone considering his services in the future.

[skydy]

You forgot the part where he took pictures of her farm without her knowledge or permission and tried to use them for personal gain by posting them on the internet (his facebook page.)

He didn’t “put her on the mare”. She got on, to show him how to get the mare to walk trot and canter because he was unable to get the mare to move forward at the walk. He wouldn’t get back on the mare and wanted to longe her. That’s when the interview was over.

[Mara]

I read that part as being from Nick’s POV. As in, he was in control of the “interview” and test ride. So of course he doesn’t ask the farm owner to ride her own horse, he “puts her on” after he’s ridden the mare himself and presumably fixed a host of problems.

As he put it, “I got you great results and you were trotting by yourself…”

Because he’s Nick the Maestro and no woman is going to tell him what to do or point out his inadequacies, of which there are many.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@skydy

He put all the lies out there for the world to see.
Did he really think that no one would notice that he wasn’t in any manner qualified to teach people or to train horses in any discipline, let alone dressage?

Being deceitful about his CV was weird enough, but the use of the photos of people’s farms and their addresses as his own took it to a whole 'nother level of creepy.

Some professionals here recognize and understand this type of personality. To most of us it’s a mystery, and one that I hope I won’t encounter again.

Really well said.

[skydy]

@trubandloki

I keep coming back to the question of - why is it so bad to just be an adult ammy rider?

Why does NP think he has to be more than that?

I think he is not capable of taking instruction, thus all of the self employment attempts and limited work history. I knew a person whose ego was such that they had to be the “boss” and they couldn’t hold down a job because of it. They were dishonest as well…

I think he has that same issue, and cannot afford to keep a horse (no shame in that, many people can’t) so he doesn’t really have the option of being an adult ammie.

If he really enjoyed horses he might save up enough for lessons, but he doesn’t take instruction well and as we all know, instruction and saddle time are essential for progress.

It is difficult to understand how some peoples minds work, especially when they self sabotage like this guy does.

[Ambitious_Kate]

No, I think he got a nice score on the draft at Training level. . But you are right, the horse had already been trained and shown at second. And I think he was the only one in his classes. And instead of enjoying a good score on the horse at training, he had to claim he trained the horse. His owner was happy enough to get the horse out of the pasture and ridden again, but he kept claiming he was training third, and the horse was in no condition to be asking for that so the owner pulled him off the ride. Plus he wasn’t taking care of her expensive tack. If he would just be real, he would get so much further.

[Ambitious_Kate]

No, the sponsor of one of the clinics told me herself what happened and why she had to refund eight participants.

[MorganSercu]

Got it! Still disturbing of course.

[Lovey]

Re: showers - The first Iowa clinic host in Oct or Nov 2013, the owner of the black Friesian, said in a PM that he took multiple showers per day (he stayed at her home) and that he made suggestive comments about hooking up with women there and it was ok because he and his wife were in different time zones or zipcodes, can’t remember exactly which. I don’t recall anything about him showering during the clinic.

The 2nd Iowa clinic was the one where the clinic host, different from 1st clinic host and held at a different barn, said she had to refund fees due to complaints about short length of lessons.

Interesting to note that he had no repeat customers from his first clinic riding in his second clinic. They were approximately 2 months apart and located relatively close to each other IIRC.

[SuzieQNutter]

I listened to an interview with a comedian who was down and living in his car. He did a set somewhere and had to drive there as he could not afford a plane ticket. Someone approached him and said they wanted him to perform for them solely. They would pay him not to perform anywhere else. He said ok.

They gave him a cheque for $50,000.00.

He bought an apartment and showered a lot to start with. It was such a luxury.

[trubandloki]

@SuzieQNutter

and showered a lot to start with. It was such a luxury.

It does not appear that NP has been lacking for a shower at home.