The "NO REINSTATEMENT" thread.

[big_dawg]

Originally posted by Coreene:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Coreene:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
And Eric Lamaze has been caught three times for cocaine, and he is still in the sport–once he was either going into or coming out of Australia, I think, to/from a competition.

Oh please, like a little tootage is the same thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It amazes me that some of you think that breaking some laws are o.k.–but others are not…he got busted [arrested] 3 times. cocaine is a big problem in this and other countries…the USEF has suspended people because their horses tested positive for the drug and it is a prohibited substance.
Wow, you just want it Your Way, and have no logical point of view it appears. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey, airhead, do not put words in my mouth. If you would read for comprehension, you would see that my opinion is that snorting coke is not the same as having horses killed for insurance $$. Nowhere did it say that I thought it was okay to break any law. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but you think that it is a lesser crime than killing an animal…are you a vegand

[Jumphigh83]

Possible teemartoonie dinner…huh?

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

Actually harryjohnson, Tahoe is now a 5 year old

[anthem35]

Originally posted by Duffy, CFO, Aefvue Farm LLC:
The kids I’ve told have been beyond horrified.

Well, I actually think Goldilocks was no childrens tale, myself…

[Serah]

Do you really think lifetime suspension is going to scare these people away more than the thought of actually getting caught??? They would only have to face lifetime suspension IF they get caught… Besides, like many people have commented, the suspensions haven’t slowed most people down, they simply train off grounds and send their riders over. Maybe if getting caught was more likely, that would be the fear that would make them reconsider.

[KristiKGC]

Originally posted by War Admiral:
We’ll need to verify that with USEF, but it has always looked to me like Ward is eligible to reapply at that point.

I am giving an informative speech tomorrow (for a class) and chose the reinstatement issue. I actually found quite a bit of information out there! (i need cited sources ) To answer this question though, Barney Ward is eligible to apply for reinstatement in 2009.

[VirginiaBred]

That is not a horse welfare issue.

Why can’t you see that IT IS a horse welfare issue taking into consideration what he did!!!

[Dancing_Lawn]

This whole issue just makes me shake my head in disbelief.
So, a man who is known as a horse killer will get to be a member in good standing.
a person who is on the horse welfare committee feels that a horse killer should have the right be become a member in good standing.

This leaves the horses where, exactly?
Is there ANYONE in the upper echelons, at all concerned with the welfare of horses?
makes me not want to show ever again.

[BLBGP]

Originally posted by BLBGP:
So Anthem, why did he have the horse killed? If so many people don’t care, he must have had good reason which could be explained to those who do still care.

From last night. It seems to have been buried.

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

War Admiral, unless you have someone on the committee willing to champion this for you, it is going to end up filed under waste in the mail room. Not that your intentions are not noble, and not that many are not in agreement, it is simply a case of the federation not being concerned with the opinion of the average member.

[JuniorJumper01]

Originally posted by Sherry3313 Groom of Winners Aefvue Farms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by anthem35:
If that is your definition of ‘the purpose’, can you at least acknowledge the fact that PV did spend weeks and weeks in Louisiana after the hurricane to help rescue horses and other pets?

Can you at least recognize what, in your own words was ‘an attempt to contribute in a way to show remorse’?

Many people helped with the animals (and people) in LA and MS after Katrina. Most did it because it was what we wanted to do and didn’t want (or care about) any publicity about what we were doing. Yes, PV did help out but it makes me wonder if he did it for the same reason many others did it or did he do it just to “score points”? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So essentially he’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. If he volunteers, he did it to have a better chance at reinstatement, not because he really wanted to help anyone. If he doesn’t, he’s a shameless horse killer who has made no attempt at reformation.

[Snowbird]

racetb I did say probably. We were not notified and our opinion was not requested. We have found out now! There should be 21 others we can express our opinions about if we find the way to do it.

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

I just do this for scientific study–I am amazed by the number of crazies there are in this world.

ummmm, nope You do this to get a reaction.

[Equit8tor]

Ah, but my dear, I HAVE! This being such an important topic/issue I am quick to discard the garbage.

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

Snowbird, I knew that, and was just joking with you, your choice of words and paraphrasing are like gems to me, I appreciate your conviction and devotion to your beliefs.

Edited to correct spelling.

[Boston_Chicken]

No, you didn’t just compare murdering an animal in cold blood to abortion did ya? That’s just They aren’t even comparable.

[Snowbird]

C.Boylen you can’t have it both ways. If it is a business decision to have a horse killed for the insurance because it is better business than selling it at a loss then horse are livestock and there is a farm and a farm is a business. Farms survice on profits. Recognized as an agricultural product.

You can’t even recognize when I’m arguing your side of the debate that it was a common business practice. As it could be for people who raise cattle and they are killed at the prime value not at old age. If that is your excuse for why PV hired someone to kill a perfectly good horse that’s your valid argument.

My point is you can use the same argument to sell the horse at a loss and not have it killed. It was insurance fraud because a killer was hired to fake an accident. The tax shelter along with the income from the downsell would have proabably been equal. That would require an admission of poor judgement.

[A_Horse_of_Course]

My morality, and what is seen as basic right and wrong, is not at all based on what is legal and illegal.
The killing of these horses for money, greed whatever is not what makes me drop my jaw in horror. I read about people committing fraud and steeling a lot. It is that horses were brutally and inhumanely killed. I am sick of thinking about the way they were killed, and hate to write it down again. But I know, (and hope), that most of you know.
Yes, I hate the reason they were killed for very much too, but the way they were killed it was gives me nightmares.

On abortion:
For whatever side you are on, you should know the difference between a humane killing, which to me means the least painful route possible, and an INhumane killing, no regard for the pain, or in this case brutal and torturous.

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

Chanda, you have stated before that you are friends with PV and his clients. Enough said on the subject. You can sit on here and quote rules and regulations from now until forever, but the fact of the matter is, killing a horse because it does not live up to your expectaions and promises is just wrong. Disagree with me if you must, but, fraud is a crime.

[xegeba]

What could PV do…to obtain COTH absolution? Anything? Nothing. Something? What will it take?