Darlyn - done! 
I went to the National Horse Show in 2004 and, not knowing any better, roamed around the stabling area patting and hand-feeding horses and sizing abandoned boots. I believe I got away with it because not only were there no waiters with trays of champagne in the stands, there were no spectators, either. The west side pier was a dismal setting. I had an entire section to myself for the whole evening.
Race, please go with Harry to Mt. Holyoke, if only to confirm that the Pine Rest bar still exists, still has a warped pool table and a good jukebox, and still serves freezing cold Ballantine Ale in 16 oz. bottles. Harry, I frequented the Pine Rest in Hadley while a student at Hampshire College in Amherst, and my MOTHER frequented the Pine Rest when she was a Mt. Holyoke student in the 1940’s. She told me that a typical girls’ night out at Mt. Holyoke was to pass a hat to get $4 for a case of Pabst. Mt. Holyoke knows how to party.
I think Adventurebeachponies, with a much better way with words, is stating what I was trying to express in earlier posts, when I was accused of vacillating between two sides. There is an emotional side to this, as well as a technical side. One point that Adventurebeach made was that he was encouraged to do charitable works - I for one am not certain anyone (other than PR people encouraged him), BUT, this old goat finds it pertinent that these charitable works just did not happen until the eve of his reinstatement.
FHC, I think you are trying to take this way too literally.
You could train with Al Capone if you wanted to. USEF can only govern what happens on its show grounds. As long as old Al doesn’t sign your entry blank and doesn’t try to come onto the show grounds, USEF can’t do anything.
I believe that USEF defines “your trainer” only as the person who signs your entry blank.
As War Admiral mentioned earlier, there are lots of ways to adhere to the letter of a rule while not necessarily adhering to its spirit. (A suspended person “selling” a horse to someone for a dollar, etc.) But the USEF can only ENFORCE the “letter of the rule” part.
So, is there not a set regimen for these reinstatement procedures?
Snowbird, I do swear that when we should meet, I will have to tell the wife that I know just a bit more about you than I ever possibly should.
I did put the info down, I don’t think the Bumpkinette did though.
I doubt that sort would be at all interested in the smaller low rated shows. They’re after the Stadium Jumping Ratings and FEI approvals for the big money and points to qualify for the European Shows.
Remember these horses are held as an investment to make a profit. We get them as babies when they haven’t been dicovered yet and are being tested in what to them is an anonymous environment. Should any shows actually offer enough money to attract them I doubt the management or the association would have enough money to survive a court trial.
Unless of course as here in New Jersey there was a reason to believe they were mentally impaired by alcohol or drugs. I covered a lot of things in our New Jersey law but frankly I never considered the career felons.
Agree - maybe I’ll try some liquid paper/white out on my bracelet. 
Although, people have noticed it without being able to see the writing and have asked what it’s for. That, at least, starts a dialog.
PLEASE, coulde agree NOt to talk about abortion, politics or religion?
Originally posted by Snowbird:
By the way for the record the EIN: for usAHSA is 11-3718544 for tax purposes and it is a non-profit for the benefit of equestrian sport clubs.
Oh yeah, Snowbird’s hiding all right. 
Beware …Beware … the trolls are coming. They can’t tolerate intelligent discussion. Ignore them do not respond…do not respond to them.
Snowbird… are you implying that i am a troll?
Anyone writing to Ethel Walker School should include not only the fact that the person in question contracted to kill horses but that he was also guilty of fraud.
Can you put your USEF number down anon?
Well said Filly… You can forgive, but it doesn’t necessarily mean you want said subject back into the fray.
The email Hopeful Hunter received was very interesting. Possibly they don’t want to discuss anything yet. Maybe putting off what will be a very heated topic. Or maybe waiting to see if a suspended person even reapplys.
But JN like you pointed out, in essence are they suspended? If the AHSA/USAE is different from the USEF, thats a whole different game is it not? Just some thoughts…
Originally posted by xegeba:
not unlike the employee that embezzeles… I deserve it… so what is your point?
No point, and no point in trying to continue. You are right on every level. I go with Harry on this one- GOD BLESS PAUL VALLIERE!
Originally posted by Sannois:
Forgive me I am really late to this thread, but I was under the impression that the people convicted were permanantly suspended from ant and all AHSA or what ever its called now, shows! Where do I sign ???
You need to be a USEF member and be able to read the rules…
have been working here on the left coast and don’t have a moment to always immediately respond. That being said, as a person who knows PV and thinks that he in fact is remorseful and regrets his past actions I will speak out. (and no doubt get flamed and repeatedly have my morality, etc questioned by all who disagree with me). I think that those who do not want PV reinstated are within their rights to sign a petition, make t-shirts etc, just as I am within my rights to not sign the same petition. Like any crime, they are judged case by case and so will the reinsatement of PV. When and/if he applies the committee will focus on him and his case alone not all that were involved
I respect your stance even if I do not agree. I can believe that he is remorseful, and certainly has regrets but that does not really equal reinstatement in my humble opinion. A lifetime ban would fit the crime, if anything could possibly fit the crime.
Originally posted by Coreene:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Coreene:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Coreene:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
And Eric Lamaze has been caught three times for cocaine, and he is still in the sport–once he was either going into or coming out of Australia, I think, to/from a competition.
Oh please, like a little tootage is the same thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It amazes me that some of you think that breaking some laws are o.k.–but others are not…he got busted [arrested] 3 times. cocaine is a big problem in this and other countries…the USEF has suspended people because their horses tested positive for the drug and it is a prohibited substance.
Wow, you just want it Your Way, and have no logical point of view it appears. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey, airhead, do not put words in my mouth. If you would read for comprehension, you would see that my opinion is that snorting coke is not the same as having horses killed for insurance $$. Nowhere did it say that I thought it was okay to break any law. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, but you think that it is a lesser crime than killing an animal…are you a vegand </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
A) there is no such thing as a vegand, and it’s so stupid that I don’t think it will even make it into the COTHisms list
B) yes, I think that snorting coke is a lesser crime than killing an animal; I also think it is wrong to break the law, and I totally agree with Lamaze being banned for a time due to his drug use </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think Everyone on this thread would agree that you have some kind of a Problem with my view point…if you cannot be civil, respectful and polite, then I think you need to go to some other chatroom.
Just what does the bad guy win?
