It’s $200 to file a protest, $300 if filed by non member of the USEF.
And I’m against what PV et al did to their horses. This thread, however, is about No Reinstatement for horse killers" (who defrauded insurance companies)
and I believe that whether you defauded your insurance company or decided that you no longer WANTED to feed your lame , useless horse( and then send it off to the SH)… Both scenarios make you a horsekiller. You probably A) shouldn’t own a horse B)Should not be able to apply for membership in any Association having to do with horses.
You guys are so right! Contacting the sponsers is a great idea! Thanks for the list. Remember that you can use the same letter for each one, just change the name of the company.
Simple, lots of people do not have a known horse felons in the barn…why choose too?
Oxer - there were a bunch of responses to your same question that you asked about the color, on the Bracelet thread on Feb 12th. Didn’t know if you saw those replies.
I can confirm Dr. Hugi was still practicing as of three-four years ago.
Lovely.
Red for the blood spilled to protect freedom and white for purity of purpose.
Uh, mwe, I said:
I have seen people get tarred and feathered on this BB for sending horses to slaughter also. But, as was previously pointed out, that’s not really a valid comparison because it’s not illegal to slaughter a horse.
However, personally, I wouldn’t train with someone who made a habit of disposing of unsuccessful show horses that way.
I was speaking of someone who made a habit of sending horses to slaughter. And it was a purely hypothetical argument, for which no “proof” is needed…
Hey don’t ask me? Look at the old threads from the people who saw him.
Originally posted by Snowbird:
Tsk! Tsk! anthem we have proof from his own esteemed friend that two rode and won on his horses. That’s a really big No-No for those inexperienced students of his. Imagine that they had won and had to forfeit their ribbons and victory. That would have been very sad for them.
Thank you for the concern Duffy but I’m breathing just fine. I am enjoying reding anthem35’s posts very much for all his insight and the close proximity he seems to share with PV. They must be very close indeed. If it’s not his wife it must be his boyfriend.
YOU really are a riot!!!
As you are now aware, if those horse are (which they were) in good standing with the USEF, there is no violation…
Next!!!
You’re a smart girl, right eqn? Figure it out. 
Keep it up, wonderkids!
I wonder if this thread will be shut down any time soon.
Anthem,
Since you see Paul so often, would you be so kind as to ask him the details of Touch The Sun’s death and report back to us?
Thanks.
Were you around back then? Do you remember those days? I know that Chanda was, at best, only in diapers back then and so has no personal recollection of the 1970’s.
Perhaps Uberaschlung is old enough to remember the good old days?
Guess you’d know about that Big Dawg isn’t that your home town?
Maybe! But the USOC and the Commerce Committee of the Senate won’t care if the USEF ignores them. Government just want everyone’s opinion. Lot’s of honorable people don’t belong to USEF for this very reason and maybe if we get rid of the double standards for felons and honest folks they will join.
Originally posted by big dawg:
…there are no rules against criminals being members of the USEF.
And most every one of them have the right to petition for reinstatement, and to have their case heard in a fair and impartial manner…
after all, we let the suspended druggers of horses back in without even a petition for reinstatement…and that doesn’t bother all you “do gooder, self-righteous” types…I don’t get why you all are on such a bender about this when obviously other things don’t even phase you.
I think the courts have held that the USEF can deny membership in some situations for criminal behavior. I would hope so anyway! Someone who is better versed in the court documents could perhaps tell us?
Yes, they do have the right to reapply. Impartial means both sides, IMO. Therefore, both supporters and opposers to reinstatement can make their views known publically. It’s a free country.
I would not assume that people posting here condone illegal drugging. Quite the reverse, in fact. However, if sanctions against even inhumane horse killing with intent to defraud are not severe, why should we believe that sanctions against repeated illegal drugging will ever be made sufficiently strong to deter it?
What if USA Skating reinstated Tonya Harding?
sb- The only person who can make a fool of you, is you. While I admire your thirst for correct factual information, i am not sure why you are so eager to get the info you have repeatedly demanded. It looked to me that the posters who stated names of people who rode for PV or one of his horses got that information from published material, not something they made up. If that material is incorrect then that needs to be addressed. However like Hopeful Hunter said there are layers that can make things very difficult to nail down.
Why don’t you search the information for yourself, then you can be sure that you have checked the facts and that they are accurate. Ya know sometimes if you want the job done right you just gotta do it your self. I really don’t think there is a witch hunt in progress here, however I think unless it can be verified as to the alleged continual illegal activity of PV or anyone he may employ- one should tread carefully. We all may ‘know’ this is happening- but until it can be documented it doesn’t matter. The problem with catching someone who is doing something they know is wrong is that they go to great lengths to hide it. That can take the form of ‘selling’ a horse to someone for $1, and saying ‘hey, I don’t own the horse- they bought him’, yeah technically that is true- but we all ‘know’ that it is not. There are many ways to make it seem like you are technically following the rules, when you are violating the hell out of the intent of those rules, it is everywhere- little loopholes in the system. I always think that the presence of such maneuvers actually is indicative of someones guilt, why work so hard to create a false situation unless the real one is not allowed? Why hide something if you have done nothing wrong?
I’m all for putting your money where your mouth is, but I have also learned sometimes a sock is better.
Originally posted by anthem35:
I get that…what I’m saying, he has no desire whatsoever to BE there…what on earth would he need there???
And I have NO idea where on earth he would have the time…
Ummmmmm anthem…how do you know what he desires? Are you married to him or something? Lots of trainers conduct business on the showgrounds on “off” days at shows (buy, sell, lease deals, etc).
Little dog…if you knew me *(which you clearly do not) you would know I dont need to “show off” for you or anyone. I am confident in my vocabulary and dont have to appologize for having a command of the english language…but to you, “That dont make no difference do it?” I will no longer feed the troll.
You know Boberry - You hit it right on the head.
If this man is - according to those who work with him - the best! At what if he’s not violating his suspension? If those being coached by him, or taking instruction from him are competing - it appears they are violating the rules.
It’s not complicated -it’s pretty darn clear.
Originally posted by mxyplyzyx Aefvue Farm Apres Hunt Lounge:
Harry, I frequented the Pine Rest in Hadley while a student at Hampshire College in Amherst,
WHEN were you at Hampshire? I was 71F (second entering class). I drove over the Notch on a regular basis.
