Ah… Aren’t stewards fairminded sorts? 
I’ve not been able to find any, either.
Anyone want to take it upon themselves to call the Chronicle & ask them if there are any in back issues?? 
Posted Dec. 18, 2005 11:03 PM
what they don’t read this Throw us a bone…actually that
yes, Boberry… The Chron is all over this one. i’m shocked that you have not received a PT from them. or IT.
Originally posted by Limerick:
To add to TWF’s post about lifetime bans in other sports-Ben Johnson, the Canadian sprinter, was banned for life for testing twice for illegal substances (steroids).
I think this reinstatement petition needs to let the USEF know that a ten year ban is not sufficient for such horrific crimes.
I’m sure that if you’re around horses as a business for many years, you see a lot of awful stuff go on-drugging and poling and too much longing. I still can’t imagine ever becoming complacent regarding someone electrocuting or smashing the legs of a wonderful athlete that just needed to have a different job. 
Belgium Waffle, Emili’s Choice, Rainman, Roseau Platiere, Streetwise, Empire, Pet of the Year and Cloud Castle, Charisma and Rub the Lamp-may their horrible deaths not be in vain…
And Eric Lamaze has been caught three times for cocaine, and he is still in the sport–once he was either going into or coming out of Australia, I think, to/from a competition.
Dear Harry, everyone I’ve ever known with a high IQ dearly loved a shot of something and a bottle of good wine; then toss in the common sense and good humor. For most the motivation to use the basic curiosity was a really good bottle of wine. Myself if they weren’t so fattening I would vote for a White Russian with real heavy cream. I did manage to pull it off for a lot of years without obesity.
Harry, you are the least stupid person I’ve met on the BB altogether.I would be glad to bend an elbow with you anytime and consider it an intellectual experience.
Yes, or take out a full page ad in the Chronicle.
There ARE ways!
Originally posted by Sansena:
"so you do admit giving them drugs when not showing, or do i misunderstand your statement? "
There’s nothing innocent about YOUR comments about show hunters being like ‘crack addicts’. You’re being antagonistic, pure & simple. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck it’s a duck.
Having an aspiring hunter, I found that comment, very much the “an attack”. Further, this statement above made by you, was made to be nasty, pure & simple.
Research or not, you should be aware that just because horses are given methocarb, albuteral, prednisolone, cyproheptadine, flunuxine, bute or other maintenance medicines, it does NOT mean they’re ‘addicts’. There are plenty of barns that use these types of drugs therapeutically, and abide by the rules… Many horses have to live on periodic low dosages of robaxin, for example. So long as it’s pulled from their diet according to the guidelines, I see no harm.
Now, if you’re a zealot for ‘animal abuse’ you’ll say that any animal who requires ANY maintenance medication is being abused. To which I reply: How is it different from when an athlete starts up, or increases or changes a workout regimen? Or when my arthritis kicks in~ Or when my cramps make me want to puke & go to bed? Or asthma? Do you think we just simply deal with it? Or do you think I’ll allow myself an advil twice a day, for a few days until my body adjusts?
Or am I just a drug “addict” according to your logic?
sounds like you doth protest too much…based on everything you have said, you prove my point exactly. go take a pill and relax.
Originally posted by Serah:
I just don’t understand, why, when you say your focus is for these poor horses that died, why instead of focusing this campaign on horses that are already dead, people that have already been sentenced…WHY dont you turn the focus on things that are still happening… Horses that are STILL being killed for insurance money? Veterinarians that are still illegally signing Death Certificates??? It’s beginning to look like there is a personal grudge behind all this, Why dont you focus on saving horses that are still alive? Preventing this from reoccuring??
Well if you make the penalties for committing these offenses severe enough, you set a precedent that has the possibility of preventing future offences. Besides- can you do two things at once, just because one issue is being addressed does not mean the other one is not. How would you advise prevention? Education? How about making the consequences have some actual negative effects?
Cool. Many thanks!!! 
Did we scare away the pro-PV folks?
Originally posted by RacetbAefvue FarmBiziz Ltd.:
What Nancy Banfield did was as premeditated and heinous as any of the horse killings.
Rub The Lamp was a SUPER NICE HORSE…and only 10 years old. Two years after being a top junior hunter for his former owner… Nancy Banfield had him electrocuted.
Holy sh*t! I didn’t know that, I mean I am sure I have read it here a zillion pages ago- but had forgotten her tie into this mess.
How on earth did that go down so quietly? I would have supported every effort to prevent that from happening, like I am with this one and any one that comes after.
My real question now becomes even more pertinent- NB is back in and her offense was just as bad as PV, do you think he can use that as leverage against USEF? I wonder what NB did in the interim that showed her remorse, rehabilitation and that she had reformed. Does any one know what she was doing during her ‘hiatus’?
As the loser so often dellusionally thinks. There are no real winners in debates because no person can decide with ultimate authority what is right and wrong. If you want to “best” your opponent, go play tennis.
Were there not people who were given lifetimesuspensions because of that reserpine incident some years ago?
To answer your question to the best of my knowledge; refusing anyone’s entries unless you have specified terms for limiting entries could lead to a law suit by that person claiming their loss of the opportunity to fairly compete for HOTY for example. Although other local associations may mean even more in some cases.
The damages could include a reduced value of the horse and a failure to be able to earn their fees for the day. The courts generally rule against show managers in favor of the plaintiff. The only time that is successful is if it is a client who has been banned and can then be arrested for trespassing. In New Jersey we can refuse someone who “appears” to be impaired by reason of alcohol or drugs.
In order to refuse based on past behavor without the USEF having suspended or expelled them could be very dicey. I doubt that Dolores Swann could do it or I, no matter how much we would like to because it would be discrimination. The rules are written by the Federation to prevent that since shows are no longer by invitation but advertised interstate.
Besides they are not likely to show up at any of the “small” shows so the issue would be if Hit’s or Stadium Jumping would be willing to do the same.
Snowy, I lost the the address of where to send money for the bracelets, I am going to see some people tomorrow who will want some.
Originally posted by Sherry3313 Groom of Winners Aefvue Farms:
For those of you claiming that PV doesn’t own any horses that are showing during his suspension, this comes DIRECTLY from Mason Phelps…
"Winter Equestrian Festival Week 7 Wrap-Up, March 9-13, 2005 CN Finale, CSIO-US 4*, ‘AA’
Contact:
Mason Phelps, Jr. of Phelps Media Group, Inc. at (561) 753-3389 or at
The R.W. “Ronnie” Mutch Scholarship winner, Cathy Rolfs, placed eighth in Section A of the ASPCA Maclay and had scores of 80 in both the hunter and jumper phases of the WIHS Equitation Classic. Zazou Hoffman, the R.W. “Ronnie” Mutch Working Student winner, placed ninth in the ASPCA Maclay and also received a score of 80 in the hunter phase of the WIHS Equitation Classic. Both girls were graciously loaned wonderful horses to compete on. Rolfs rode Aristocrat, who is owned by Paul Valliere, while Hoffman rode Missy Clark’s Long Island. "
I believe that this was a wording error on Mason’s part, to which he has subsequently corrected.
Excuse me please! What you say about his being subject to the old Rule Book is quite true and yes I do have a copy and when I have time will print the pertinent information.
However, those rules were amended and the 2005 Rules as published apply to all those who ride and compete with horses in the care and custody of a suspended person. That is not limited to the owner of the business, the farm or the facility but anyone who is boarded in a a barn where a suspended person is in charge.
It says no one may ride any horse trained by a suspended person. They may not compete for his benefit and credit. Those people on the show circuit during 2005 who have been easily identified as the students of a suspended person are in violation of these rules and can be held accountable.
Read the new rules because they do not apply to Paul Valiere’s penalty but to the new infractions and violations of the rules. The Stewards at this the shows where such participation is accepted have a responsibility to enforce all current rules equally and fairly on all members.
WA, the website looks great. Too bad we can’t get pics of the horses the killed. I would give it a personal look. I am going to try and forward this to our local publication.
If PV applies for Re-Instatement how does this administration see their position? Proponent for Paul Valliere or for the horses that died?
I’d imagine this administration can find a few other ways to see their position besides the two options you’ve offered there.
Chanda, I know all about FEI and the secured stabling they require. Also, signing in & out of riders, grooms and owners. Listed times for exercising, specific rings in which schooling can be done, and the many personnel this requires by a show. This is not at every USEF show. The shows that are permitted to have these classes are specified and ratings are listed in the FEI’s roster.
What I was speaking about, was the ease which non owners, young riders and people who are interested in horses used to have in the stabling area. This was a place for many, they got to meet a big name. This was good PR for the horse industry.
