The bracelets are definitely showing up in Wellington and causing quite a bit of discussion. I personally can’t imagine Paul requesting re-instatement for quite a while. I’m sure he’ll wait/hope for some of the hooplala to quiet down.
C.Boylen you don’t know that at all. It could be that people felt so sorry for those kids they just didn;t want to punish them. Surely, if Mason Phelps knew they were the horses of Paul Valiere so did a lot of other people and if not at the time after the fact. Phelps Media did after all publish the information.
Don’t you find that if these are all errors there is something very wrong with the record keeping. The show office can’t be that inefficient.
By the anthem35 no I don’t have to prove he has violated the rules…HE has to prove he is remorseful and has tried to contribute a good attitude. Letting unknowing children be at risk on his horses is not very good sportmanship in my opinion that’s all. Not correcting he Farm records that show him as the sole propietor of Acres Wild is not very diligent or business like if you’re really sorry.
His own clients have proved he is breaking the rules, I don’t have to. They publish all the information necessary. Really, I’m beginning to feel sorry for him. With such friends who needs enemies.
What Nancy Banfield did was as premeditated and heinous as any of the horse killings.
Rub The Lamp was a SUPER NICE HORSE…and only 10 years old. Two years after being a top junior hunter for his former owner… Nancy Banfield had him electrocuted.
Originally posted by jetsmom:
How can someone be so concerned with the appearance of impropriety regarding violating BB rules, yet they ride with PV and have no problem with his history and “bending” the rules of USEF? Too bad the expectations of a high moral fiber is only being applied to posters on an internet BB, not a convicted criminal and horse abuser.
Yeah, bit of a double standard. But again it is a matter of looking for the loopholes and the technicalities because the big issue is not one that can be defended- so look for another way out.
Do you clowns know what red & white means?
Originally posted by radio talk Aefvue Farms RCA:
Chanda you are correct Acres Wild Inc is not owned by Paul. But Acres Wild Farm in RI is. And is listed with the USEF as active and in good sted. War Admiral did post the link to the information. This also can be validated by the USEF.
There is NO Acres Wild Farm in the state of Rhode Island owned by Paul Valliere. That farm was sold about 10 years ago. Perhaps you are looking at our of date information?
Originally posted by BaliBandido:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by jetsmom:
How can someone be so concerned with the appearance of impropriety regarding violating BB rules, yet they ride with PV and have no problem with his history and “bending” the rules of USEF? Too bad the expectations of a high moral fiber is only being applied to posters on an internet BB, not a convicted criminal and horse abuser.
Yeah, bit of a double standard. But again it is a matter of looking for the loopholes and the technicalities because the big issue is not one that can be defended- so look for another way out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I’m not defending any big issues. I’m defending the point that no one here can definitively say or prove that any USEF rules are currently being broken. I find speculation about the legality of a named person’s current actions not in keeping with the tone usually expected from posters on the BB, but that is my opinion and Erin has said she feels differently in this instance.
Also, I do not ride with Paul and I do not know how you came to be under that impression.
HI! And Thank you so much for the compliments!!!
As is the case with any article, only particular pieces of an interview are extracted, thereby often painting a diffrent picture.
I guess I just dont know what use of media he COULD use that would provide him a chance to speak to people in person.
Do you have any ideas of what you, as a USEF member, might like to see or hear?
Clearly the thing to do in that situation is tell the truth: my boss would never defraud an insurance company (at least not on a horse claim), but when it comes to tax deductions or new siding for his home, anything goes.
Well after all - we do live in New Jersey! Pay to play baby! And now we have King Corzine! Pay to play with a really bad haircut.
Originally posted by ise@ssl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>He does have supporters that are just as willing to work hard on his behalf as those working against him
Well it will be GREAT to have these supporters step up to the microphone - identify themselves and pitch their support and why they feel someone who killed his horse for insurance money should be allowed back in the sport. So far the “supporters” using their legal names has been minimal - let’s get those people out in the sunlight with their names on record. I’m sure I’m not the only person in this business who would like to have that list.
And I’m so tired of hearing that the people supporting bans on individuals who have perpetrated certain crimes are “little people” -who have never shown or don’t know the “scene” at the upper levels. Those who feel they ARE the Upper Level should get over themselves. Perception IS NOT REALITY. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
PLease feel free to PT me for any or all information you would like from me.
I would be more than happy to offer any details about my life that you feel necessary.
Excuse me slainte! But as a show manager if a horse owned by Acres Wild Farm comes to my show under these circumstances I have no right to refuse the entries.
This isn’t just a little bookkkeeping error.
Originally posted by Coreene:
War Admiral, congrats on that wonderful piece in the Palm Beach Post today. Lovely, lovely.
Of course, it had to have the usual Mason butt kiss, but then who is surprised?
Thanks, Coreene - I didn’t even know it was out until you e-mailed me!
Linkage
For the record, I thought it was pretty well balanced. However - one minor correction: as everyone here knows, I am most definitely NOT an “amateur showjumper” - I haven’t seen the business side of the in-gate at the jumper ring since ohhhh, '79-80 or thereabouts! 
I just don’t want anyone to think I’m claiming to be something I’m not… Right now, I’m doing carriage driving with the Avemaster and still goofing around with saddle seat - I’ll be doing adult pleasure eq. this season and MAYBE Country Pleasure later in the year if a suitable horse can be found. 
Many thanks to Horse_Poor, Snowbird, Anyplace Farm, SNL & everyone else who is helping get and keep this thing together.
I’ve worn mine! Haven’t had too many people notice though, under all my wintery layers.
Originally posted by harryjohnson:
I am sure Mr. Valliere’s horses are some of the best kept, best looking, and best treated animals on the circuit. He bills his clients quite regularly for the service, and the care of Roseau Platiere received is an indication of such. And of course Acres Wild Farm is not owned by Mr. Valliere, at least not on paper.
FYI- most trainers bill quite heavily for the care of their customers horses, PV is not alone in charging for his services
Sorry.
Funny - I would have said the big problem was illiterarcy.
And I think that point is now. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on whether or not someone is “truly” remorseful, and I think it’s best to just accept that and move on.
I’m sorry; I was using an abstraction with no names just a hypothesis and nothing factual.
Just trying to put forward a logical sequence with logical definitions that can usually led to a solution if you leave out the personalities which cause the antognism. Sort of like looking at the issue from arm’s length as an observer.
Good news… The “No Reinstatement” thread has spread to Foxhunters On Line. More discussion and more signatures!!
