The "NO REINSTATEMENT" thread.

[Jane]

Originally posted by Snowbird:
Unless, you are his favorite gopher I would imagine you’re not there all the time. I have never seen him take time to eat either and I don’t know him at all.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>[QUOTE]The reason his kids do so well is that he WORKS. HARD. The amount of horses and riders that come through the door everyday, especially in Welly, is astounding.

And, you know this how? A lot of trainers work very hard especially at Wellington, are you saying he does better than all of them? In all of the elite community is he really the very best we have? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Snowbird, anthem may not be around PV 24/7, but don’t you think it’s silly on your part to imply she may not know everything he’s doing, yet you, after admitting not having seen or been anywhere near him in years, are implying you know more about what he’s been up to? why, you were all ready to take a gossip in Sidelines to be the gospel.

He doesn’t however look either undernourished or over worked. Actually as very attractive man. I can understand why he is so successful with women.

[Snowbird]

The truth hurts. Horses are a business at this level, USEF is a business organization,

Because you say it is; doesn’t make it so. In fact equine are categoried as a recreatinal sport and the USEF is a non-profit Educational Charity according to the government. Horses are “livestock” and horse farms are agriculture and not business. I have had a great deal of difficulty trying to convince the NFIB (Small Business Association) to include farms as a business.

and neither morals nor principals have ever reigned supreme in a truly competitive business.

That’s cynical and total untruth. This country was built on free entrepreneurial skills. The fact is the most successfull businesses have happy clients and a happy staff. The USEF doesn’t seem to have either.

Do you think America is the world’s biggest superpower because our government since 1776 has been run by morality?

Yes! it was a religious country and God was marked on everything.

Um, nope. The world has been “going downhill” for quite some time now…

Only since some have tried follow the Communist example and erase God from our society. Communism failed because it held your convictions.

[Janet]

SNowbird said
C.Boylen you can’t have it both ways. If it is a business decision to have a horse killed for the insurance because it is better business than selling it at a loss then horse are livestock and there is a farm and a farm is a business. Farms survice on profits. Recognized as an agricultural product.
Sorry. It doesn’t work that way. It is a “business decision” to trade in my old car that has become unreliable and buy a new one.

That doesn’t mean I can write off the loss on the old car the way I could if I were running a car rental business.

MOST HORSE OWNERS are not running a “business” farm, and only a small percent are even running a “hobby farm”. MOST HORSE OWNERS pay board.

[KSF]

Slante! I was just going to post the same thing. Paul is out mucking his barn and teaching lessons while we are all playing on our computers.
I hope that Paul has never read this stuff and if he has it is only becase someone showed it to him…he is lucky if he can get his voicemail on his cell phone to work…not a gizmo kind of guy!

[Snowbird]

I should have them next week when I get back from Cincinnati. I haven’t heard from Susan so there could be two orders. I have 250 coming. and 100 here waiting. The ones SNL mailed to me haven’t gotten here yet. I wanted to keep them all looking the same.

[Duffy]

Deep breath, anyone?

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

Wesley is my boarders favorite. He is very laid back and easy going.

Tahoe is the super athlete. He is very willing, but more sensitive, and VERY bouncy at the trot!!

[ponybreeder]

I tend to spend more tme reading this thread than writing, as it seems to go round and round. However I have to say that I am extremely offended by C. Boyln’s declaration that she is concerned with horses in the present, not in the past. Historically, we learn from what has happened in the past, and when it is evil, we try to use those examples to keep evil from happening again. I had no feeling about PV being reinstated before this thread, but from his supporters, I have decided that he does not bear supporting

[Uberraschung]

Originally posted by Hucklebug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by C.Boylen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>As a member of that committee, an opinion weighs heavily with general membership.

As a member of that committee, I personally concern myself with issues and conditions that currently affect horse welfare. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That’s right. There’s not a welfare issue if the horse is dead. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Chanda’s current position on the USHJA board has no relevance with her personal opinions, as she has stated. Perhaps instead of berating an individual member of that committee, it might be beneficial for one or more of you to approach the committee as a whole at one of their meetings. This way you could obtain the opinion of the group as a whole instead of trying to twist what you want to hear out of someone’s personal statements. Seems like a more effective approach to me.

[N_B_T]

To the contrary Serah, I find that non-horsepeople are quite quick to understand and support the no-reinstatement position.

It’s not very difficult to grasp what happened, or why some horsepeople don’t like it.

“Negativity”? I believe many people supporting no-reinstatement are quite positive human beings. This isn’t gossip, etc.

Just about every horseperson wants to see more coverage of the wide variety of equestrian sports and activities on tv and in the general media. I think it is a measure of the strength of feeling of the supporters of no-reinstatement that they are even considering using the series as a chance for publicity.

As far as “appearances” go–IMO, it appears far worse if horsepeople are not seen to acknowledge and address these sorts of issues. Silence can well be perceived as tacit acceptance. More media attention will mean more exposure of such problems. It won’t just go away if we all smile brightly.

I hardly think the no-reinstatement petition is comparable to PETA activity.

Jane, must you people always enter this discussion with an off-putting remark rather than initiating a polite dialog?

[Erin]

Try it again, Sheila. Surely you DO have the ability for reasoned discourse?

[BaliBandido]

Originally posted by Uberraschung:

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but whether you are aware of it or not, it does and has been happening all along. PV was unusual in that he got caught. I know of at least 10 others who weren’t and who many of you probably would never know that they did something like this (and indeed, they are mentioned on quite a few threads as honest, etc).

I do believe stuff like this continues to go on, unfortunatly. However the fact that it does go on does not mean you should stop trying to prevent it or stop speaking out against it. Nor does it mean someone who has indeed done this should enjoy all the rights and privledges as the rest of us who would not and have not do something like this.

Put this in the context of other situations that go on all the time- child abuse, elder abuse etc, it goes on all the time as well but thankfully there are those people who feel if they prevent it just one time it will have been worth it.

It was and never will be an excuse- just an indication of weak character following weak character.

[horse_poor]

PM me

[Duffy]

Where is this letter of apology that he wrote COTH and when was it written? I only recall the “ads” taken in praise of this and that…

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

Saddlebag, I do not think the petition is a veiled attempt, it is out in the open. Mr. Valliere will be trying to influence the Hearing Committee as well, and out in the open.
The people who are against him have as much right to be heard as those who take out advertisements supporting PV.

[Yours_Truly]

Originally posted by C.Boylen:

The only thing I have backed in this thread is Paul’s right to apply for reinstatement. That is not a horse welfare issue.

And if he becomes reinstated? Would it then become a horse welfare issue?

[BaliBandido]

Originally posted by xegeba:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Obviously it was felt that for whatever reason the horse was not living up to its billing, or was not performing well enough for a certain rider or whatever reason that made killing them seem to them like a viable alternative. If they had not been insured and therefor no way to recoup the costs, what would have been done then? Would they still have died mysteriously because they were an embarrasement (percieved) or as a way to hide the fact that they were not as good as buyer had been led to believe? Would they have been sold down, given

perhaps I’ve missed your point… why don’t you answer your own question? What would have happened to PV’s horse if he chose not to insure said POS? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, I am trying to ask a legitimate question- must you always be so difficult? the only way I can answer my own question is if I am talking about myself-which I am not. I asked in the orignal post what would have happened if PV had not insured the horse. I was wondering if there would have been an alternative ending?

[Renn_aissance]

Amen to that.

[system]

Trying to find that I’m logged in. Yep, new here but really only wanted to show that alot of canadians have signed the PV petetion. Supporting you.

[Indy]

WA – a small nitpick on the petition…you have two #3s in your reasons why PV has disregarded the spirit and intent of his suspension.