ps. i am no greenie. i’ve been around and loved horses longer than most of you have been alive.
Sadly no, the wife listens not to me nor to her trainer, she sees a horse that looks nice, and immediately thinks anyone can ride it.
Sherry- true! But, I do believe the reference to the banned coach were most timely.
Originally posted by TWF:
REINSTATEMENT Issue is MY concern…his suspension is a fact.
If anyone applies to become a member of USEF…they must abide by current law and further must abide by future new rules…just like everyone else!
yes, but UNTIL he applies, if he ever does, the old rules and conditions apply to his situation.
Originally posted by xegeba:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>How about if it was a client horse? How does one explain that decision to someone who has paid big bucks for a horse that now is only worth killer price?
Did PV off a client’s horse? without permission? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not necessarily talking about PV, he was not the only one who had this done, so again why did you even reply?
mwe it is really quite simple as you can depreciate your investment in a horse annually on your tax form you can write off horses sold at a loss against your income and get a tax credit.
Unless one runs their horse activities as a business that’s tax fraud.
Here is what I e-mailed the majority of the Ethel Walker School faculty:
Dear faculty members,
I am writing to you to let you know that there was an ad published in an international equestrian magazine that included a thank you to a convicted horse killer (Paul Valliere) and this ad had the Ethel Walker School name written on the top. The magazine is The Chronicle of the Horse and it was in the 12/23/05 addition. This ad was a full page color ad. It was an ad to congratulate Julie Welles (perhaps an Ethel Walker student?) on her equestrian accomplishments. Here are the facts that concern Mr. Valliere’s arrest and conviction:
http://www.ienn.com/break/mayjune97/indict.htm
Here is the petition that concerned equestrians are signing:
http://www.petitiononline.com/valliere/petition.html
It was with great surprise that I read this ad and could only conclude that Ethel Walker approved of Mr. Valliere and his actions. I hope that perhaps the payment and approval of this ad was made only be a few people associated with Ethel Walker and not a vote of support by the whole school. But I may never know. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Susan Smith
Originally posted by Erin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by anthem35:
KAP-but they DO.
If theyprove to a parole board that they have satisfied the requirements for re-entry to society, they are granted so.
Some of them. But many of them come up for parole and are denied, denied, denied, denied…
It’s not automatic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Erin-a few years back I posted a topic about a girl at my past barn who was also a co-worker, who had stolen from our employers to pay to train and show her horse. In the end, the amount stole came to 160 thousand dollars.
She then, after having been fired, came to work at barn.
Confused as how to approach this, my topic drew many responses.
Obviously upset by this negative publicity, at her husbands request, you withdrew the thread.
Its now 2 years later.
The company she embezzled from struggles to survive.
She, on the other hand, is flourishing with a new LandRover and a baby.
She will show again in the AA hunters on the horse she stole from her employers to support.
Why, does this woman get a second chance?
Why was her thread erased, while this continues.
Why?
Because she was NO ONE.
We all understood how hard it is to compete without a lot of cash.
We get how hard it is when ur a little person trying to get by.
Felony is a felony, right?
I guess not.
There is a small company in New England with an older couple who may not be able to retire, with an ex-employee who is getting ready to hit the showgrounds with their future.
Why is this ok?
Originally posted by xegeba:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>So we have the vet falsifying the medical cause for that horse but it’s the trainer that’s the culprit in my book.
Do Vets have to take an oath? Hippocratic in nature? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
According to the AMVA site, they need to take the Veterinarian’s Oath, although the site states that the oath was adopted by the AVMA in November 1999. I’m not sure if or what was in place before then.
The oath states: "[b]eing admitted to the profession of veterinary medicine, I solemnly swear to use my scientific knowledge and skills for the benefit of society through the protection of animal health, the relief of animal suffering, the conservation of animal resources, the promotion of public health, and the advancement of medical knowledge.
I will practice my profession conscientiously, with dignity, and in keeping with the principles of veterinary medical ethics.
I accept as a lifelong obligation the continual improvement of my professional knowledge and competence."
Edited to add: The oath was originally adopted by the AMVA in 1969 and was amended in November 1999.
Originally posted by Duffy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
And I have read also with amazement some posts from you and others who just want their own way–forget that the Rules allow each suspended person to apply for reinstatement–, and who I am sure are otherwise possibly reasonable folk.
No one here is denying these murderers
I DON’T THINK THAT THIS IS LEGALLY A CORRECT TERM–YOU ARE BEING LED BY YOUR PASSIONATE VIEW OF ANIMAL TREATMENT
their right to apply for reinstatement under the current rules. What we hope to accomplish is their membership reinstatement application is denied, as well as to make sure other members who commit heineous acts against these horses are given lifetime suspensions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
ARE YOU NOW SUBMITTING A RULE CHANGE? AND ARE YOU THE DEFINITIVE PERSON FOR “HEINEOUS ACTS”/YOU HAD BETTER START WITH ALL YOUR HUNTER HORSES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTANT MEDICATION AT EVERY SHOW–I DON’T SEE A BIG CLAMOUR FOR STOPPING TURNING THESE COMPETITION HORSES INTO DRUG ADDICTS? OH, I FORGOT, THAT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF MEDICATION IS “LEGAL”…
Originally posted by JuniorJumper01:
Janet, replace my use of “parole” with “probation.” You are correct. Parole is granted after having served a jail sentence. Probation is granted after a conviction without having served time.
Agreed. But I stll think “granting parole” is the better analogy.
You evidently haven’t read the posts on these threads if that is what you think.
No one is “getting off” in trying to let the USEF know that some of us do not think he (and other horse killers) should be allowed back into our USEF.
No one is trying to “take someone out”. Mr. Valliere evidently makes a very good living doing what he is currently doing.
What he (and the other horse killers) did was not a “mistake”.
What do you know about what else we do for the good of the horses?
I sure don’t see these actions as “negative energy and resentment”.
Well said Harry! There are so many of us who agree with you. 
Snowbird-
What show have YOU seen Paul at?
Originally posted by Showponymom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Sannois:
Forgive me I am really late to this thread, but I was under the impression that the people convicted were permanantly suspended from ant and all AHSA or what ever its called now, shows! Where do I sign ???
You need to be a USEF member and be able to read the rules… </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You do not need to be a member of the USEF to sign the petition if that is what you meant. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, but if you are not a Member, you have no standing to be heard…just another animal rights terrorist for all the Hearing Committee will know. Personally, if you aren’t a member you have no say.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JuniorJumper01:
You’re intentionally missing my point Snowbird. Look at anyone riding professionally at the top levels and tell me they’re doing it for recreation. Open your eyes and get real, lady. I don’t care what the government calls it. Bowling is for recreation; riding, training, and selling horses for a living is not. And the fact that USEF is “non-profit” doesn’t mean it is not still a business orginazation.
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Anyone who rides for a living is doing it for the love of the sport. Do you honestly think people make money on horses every year? Oh, that’s right, some people did try to make money off of their steeds. But some got caught.
A bit O/T juniorjump, but how old are you? In your albums you look like a child. How old were you when this all happened? 6 yrs old? How would you feel if PV (or the others) did these things to a horse in YOUR barn, right next to YOUR horse? Would that be cool? Would you forgive? Would you forget? Would you open your arms wide and accept them back into the fold? Or better yet, into your barn?
nothing to come around to. This whole industry sucks.
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I would love to sign it but not willing to type in again as I am on AOL, and hate Internet explorer. That may be a reason for less signatures.
You may want to change the title of the thread to alert peopel to the petition. I never read the first post, as with so many pages, I only read the last few.
Hey, I have an idea. Maybe PV should adopt a certain number of ex-race horses each year for x-number of years. He could take on horses which would otherwise be cast aside, rehabilitate them, and find them comfortable homes. Since he contributed to taking a life, maybe GIVING horses lives would be a good way to atone (is that the right word) for his misdeeds? Would that satisfy some folks?
I don’t know about you Harry but us Hungarians never capitulate. That’s why we invented were wolves and vampires; we’re so stubborn we don’t even quit a job when we’re dead. Can’t Rest In Peace with a job undone.
