The "NO REINSTATEMENT" thread.

[BaliBandido]

Originally posted by JuniorJumper01:
I said those who haven’t met Paul shouldn’t be pointing fingers at him.

I’m not sure meeting Paul would change the facts of his case. In fact most people who sit on a parole board or are involved with mediation etc are not personally aquainted with the people that come before them. They deal only with the evidence presented, not personal issues. They do take personal references as to charachter, but their goal is to remain objective not emotional.

I have never met Kenneth Lay either, but from the facts presented about him and his dealings I have formed an opinion, so I am not sure why you feel it is necessary to meet PV before forming and voicing an opinion on what he did and if he should be reinstated. Even if he is a very nice man, gifted with a horse and rider etc, it will not change my opinion of his actions, it will not undue what has been done. Although I think that is what has happened with some of his supporters, they have met him and are very charmed by him, so they have to defend him to justify their own association with him.

I don’t think that should be the case either, every one has their own personal boundary and should be respectfully entitled to it.

[texang73]

Where do I sign?

[CBoylen]

Its easier at Devon to walk about, look at the horses. See the big names. Stabling isn’t blocked so you don’t enter or a guard standing there demanding who are you? I understand security, but like all things our pendualum has swung the opposite way.

The FEI requires secure stabling for those competing in sanctioned classes, so as we get more FEI classes we get more cases of secured stabling. It’s not there to block spectators because horsepeople are unfriendly.
In non-FEI stabling, I’ve always found spectators welcome in most barns, and there’s certainly no security to speak of.
At Devon and Roanoke especially we always get tons of spectators through our barn, and people tend to wander through occasionally at most of the other shows.
Except of course WEF, no spectator in their right mind would walk all the way out to where we are stabled .

[N_B_T]

bump

[Snowbird]

Big Dawg you’re really really off course!

[Boberry]

I’ve already contacted my congressperson. Here’s a link: http://www.house.gov/writerep/

[SmileGee]

All of this talk has made me very interested in researching this topic…I was wondering if anyone had any links to photos of the horses? I think seeing these amazing animals will drive home the insane amount of cruelty involved to commit such heinous (sp) acts. I cannot imagine…

[Erin]

I would guess that the care/custody part just means a suspended trainer can’t sign your entry blank.

It’s not against the rules to train with a suspended person. It can’t be – the USEF has no authority to govern what people do off show grounds.

[Saddlebag]

Schyler, I’m with you. But not because of PV’s (Who I know by reputation only) actions of the past, but because what I see here amounts to a veiled attempt to influence the Hearing Committee, and deny PV his due process. Courts of law try to prevent “mob influence” by giving high profile defendants such protection as change of venue and voire dire in jury selection. You can be sure that when this issue comes before a Hearing Panel, all sides of the issue will be weighed…with public opinion being one of them. But I find it unbelievably mean spirited for a group of (well meaning) horse lovers to try to skew the process by inciting a moblike reaction.

I am as mushy about horses as any of you, and have a pasture full of old retired friends who serve no purpose, eat the most expensive, high protein sof

[ise]

Actually I was lamenting that high schools are obviously NOT teaching proper writing skills! What a shame.

And as far as the age of this young woman - isn’t it somewhat frightening that she’s reached this point and doesn’t see the crime in killing one’s own horse for money? Or grasping the concept of perjury. She seems to validate it if anyone else has done it.

[Kap]

It’s not, anthem. Just because she got away with it doesn’t mean it is unjust that PV hasn’t been able to get away with it. They BOTH did wrong. She just escaped the fair punishment, I guess.

[BarbB]

Originally posted by Snowbird:
You did raise an interesting question and I doubt we would eb notified that an applicant has requested reinstatement. Communication is not the strong characteristic of the current administration. We would only be notified when they had been forgiven their sins. As to those who may have been reinstated without our notice well as they all say one flaw does not make a culprit.

I suggest that for next year you propose a rule change that requires public notification before the fact and just after the decisions.

I am amazed by this. In the dog world when you are suspended or stripped of your privileges it is published for all to see in the AKC Gazette. If you are eligible for re-instatement and you apply…that is also published for all to see. Along with a notice asking all members in good standing with information to contact the AKC.
Suspension also includes much more than showing…ALL of your dog activities in the purebred dog world are over…done.
I have always felt that the horse world doesn’t take violations seriously…the sanctions within the horse world are not serious.
(the legal penalties are a different set of standards)

[Snowbird]

I’ll look into that Harry I hadn’t ever thought about it except for purchases from ebay. Heck! I use it so that might be another way to give anyone assurance.

By the way for the record the EIN: for usAHSA is 11-3718544 for tax purposes and it is a non-profit for the benefit of equestrian sport clubs.

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

I also want to point out to his supporters, that his friendly, attitude is the only way he can be if he wants to maintain a business. What is he going to say, “yeah, I killed them, so what.”???

This is a person that was able to play a part to the insurance company, and others to make them think he was shocked and horrified at the loss of a horse - to collect the money. A wonderful actor. A smart actor, that is still playing a part to salvage firendships, clients, business, and ego. Playing a part so that he can get the hero worship he craves. (thanking him because he is such a wonderful trainer, etc.)

[CBoylen]

is looking at the Calendar there are no OFF days

That’s not true. I just posted the calendar.
Littlewood and Stadium Jumping shows are at DIFFERENT grounds.

It’s academic anyway, as I have never seen Paul on the showgrounds at any time during his suspension, and, like anthem, can’t imagine why he would want or need to be there on a non-show day.

[horse_poor]

I LOFF it!!!

I am writing an article about this for our barn newsletter to indirectly “spread the word” and point them in the direction of the petition–the more the merrier!

[Erin]

Hint: if there is a in your post, you’re being snarky, and your post is going to get deleted.

[anthem35]

Actually, Fairview, yes they are.

Having spent many a year on Wall Street, I watched bankers and traders cuffed and collared on the desk, and lead off to punishment.

Fines are paid, time is served, and then, yes, they are allowed back into the system.

Free to resume the life they may have taken a wrong turn in…as so many other have.

[BaliBandido]

Originally posted by SGray:
I predict that if reinstatement is not granted there will be a lawsuit against USEF

What a disgrace, but I too see that happening.

[jetsmom]

This thread has made me take off my rose colored glasses and not idolize some of the people that post on here. The pedastal I had them on, because of their horses, just came crashing down.

I still am curious if anyone who is friends with PV can answer, Does PV bring up his past and explain what he did to new clients, without them having to ask?