I for one actually joined the USEF yesterday so I could sign the petition with a number! I had been putting it off for ages, but figured I might as well since it’s Dec-Dec now…
It has grown a lot.
Has anyone actually gotten in touch with the USEF? I had thought maybe sending a link to all the addresses on the USEF contact page?
Originally posted by BaliBandido:
This is true, however in many of those target specific crimes like child abuse, molestation etc the one convicted of the crime is prohibited from being around children. Using the same logic why would it be any different to prohibit a person convicted of killing a horse to be allowed back in a horse organization? Also many of these people come out of jail and go into a supervised probation/parole where they are expected to follow the terms of their probation/parole, any violation of these terms gets them back in jail. Violation does not mean they commit another crime, in many cases it means that they are not even to be in the company of certain people.
As I see it, PV has not reoffended by committing another crime, but it does seem that his actions in the interim have violated the terms of his suspension. That does not seem like someone who has truly accepted responsibility and been rehabilitated.
What about this situation: Someone is on parole for committing a crime; let’s say murder for example. His parole comes up, and he is allowed his prior freedoms. Man’s neighbors said he was in violation of his parole x number of times. These accusations become relatively insignificant if there is no proof that he has in fact violated the terms of his parole.
Similar case with Paul. Everyone in the world can say he’s been on the showgrounds, etc., but if the person making final decisions doesn’t have evidence as to whether or not it is true, it really doesn’t have any effect. In the worst case, USEF might request a hearing of some sort to examine his time of suspension, just like a man being accused of violating parole might be brought to some sort of trial.
The question that I would like answered by those who seem to support reinstatement for these people, or who question the value of keeping them out of the USEF, is this: Do you or do you not believe that they killed, or arranged for the killing of, horses? Because, if you don’t believe that they did the things they were convicted of, that seems like one kind of crazy. And if you DO believe they did those things, and you still want to see them included in this organization which states that a concern for the welfare of horses is part of its bylaws, then that strikes me as a different variety of crazy. But either way, crazy. If someone harms or neglects an animal because of ignorance, or poverty, or a momentary cruelty born of anger, those are all terrible things, but under proper circumstances can be forgiven if the guilty party mends their ways and accepts their punishment. But if a person who knows better, who suffers no inability to supply proper care, CHOOSES to do what these folks were convicted of doing, then I think that regardless of boards or bylaws or organizational politics, that person should be forbidden to engage in any business involving animals, and it’s the responsibility of those who claim to care for the wellbeing of animals to do their part to enforce such restrictions. Hardly hysteria, but simple justice. The example given above regarding the permanent disbarment of lawyers and doctors for certain kinds of crimes related to the practice of their profession seems relevant here.
Originally posted by Equibrit:
I would like to suggest that you all redirect your energies to basket weaving.
There’s a thought, I could use one for my socks. 
Originally posted by Boberry:
I think if you read the past 8 or so pages. The time, dates, court rulings are there as well as links about the people involved.
Thanks for the heads up. 
I just read the last 10 pages so I understand what happened.
So the man who killed Jatomic Streaker, what happened to him? Did he end up going to jail because of insurance fraud and cruelty to animals?
Anthem, I must apologize to you, but I have seen the man as a child, as an adolescent, as a young man, as a thirty year old, and I have to admit, nothing in his character changed from the very first day I saw him. This is a world where you are free to conduct business with him, for me there is nothing that can change my mind.
Harry, I don’t understand that logic. 
Accepting a paid ad does not mean a publication is partisan. I can see where they wouldn’t be able to do it for a discount - unless they offered the same discount to the opposing ad, if such ad were done. (The pubs could do their own statement - like the product shows on TV. 
) Or, the editors could actually show where they stand on the issue…
Please note the following in the Equestrian periodical “Sidelines” under the H/J Ingate Section:
"We all know there’s been a huge internet move afoot to keep Paul Valliere’s ban in place. However, Marcella has been told that he’s back on the WEF showgrounds…it will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out.
There is a link where USEF members can sign a petition NOT to reinstate Paul: www.PetitionOnline.com/valliere/. It is hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service (however you should be aware they send you a confirmation which asks for support).
Here is the link to Sidelines:
War Admiral I’d be glad to do it. BUT I am fighting my way off the farm to catch my plane tomorrow.
My laptop is giving me crap because I had the audacity to upgrade the Me to XP and its pissed off at me. I think I can connect from Cincinnati and catch up with all. I may have to do it the old fashioned way.
That’s why you’re all not hearing from me. Be back to the real world late Sunday night. Anyone who needs to can reach me at the hotel where the Convention is being run.
I see a laughing horse’s face surrounded by a circle and in it it says No Reinstatment for horse killers but that’s off the top of my head in a panic.
Glad you were able to sign-wow, lots of signatures.
I’ll deliver that kiss this morning along with a peppermint and a baby carrot.
Originally posted by jodes:
The Hunter/Jumper world is great isn’t it?
I’ve been wanting to do jumpers for YEARS but have always kept my hooves planted on eventing territory because I didn’t want to get caught up in all the drama. 
Oops. Oh well, guess I’ll just have to convert completely. Unless, of course, USEF allows PV back in
I do not think Ethel Walker will place an advertisement distancing themselves. The only thing that would move them is a drop of alumni funds.
And radio- bad enough when it is a real accident. But to premeditate this kind of horrific torture… what kind of moron would do such a thing?
Originally posted by horse_poor:
Scout, are you like Nancy Banfield’s agent or something-her name is in just about all of your posts…and I am pissed…she flew under the radar…all the more reason to be prepared…
Yes that’s right I am Nancy Banfield’s agent 
Originally posted by radio talk Aefvue Farms RCA:
Nope slainte, current 2006 info from the USEF.
Acres Wild Farm north is located in Plainville, MA (next to the best outlets ever, btw!). The huge Rhode Island farm was sold years ago.
Originally posted by meadow lark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by xegeba:
Posted Feb. 13, 2006 12:58 AM
Most horse traders lie about the horses for sale which is why it is still a capital offense to sell a crooked horse and get caught. That’s can be the “death penalty” if anyone chooses to enforce the law still on the book
What are you talking about? Where is it a capital offense to sell? How do you define a “crooked horse”–what is that? And what law is on the book?
Do you just make this stuff up, or what? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Meadowlark… that statement cannot be attributed to me. snowbird made it. Thanks.
Nobody is talking about “indicting” anyone for horse murder. Do we REALLY need to go off on this tangent?
There are laws against insurance fraud and laws against animal cruelty, as well as USEF’s own rules. I don’t think anyone is lobbying for “horse murder” laws. The laws/rules that already exist were broken, which led to people being suspended, and the petition against their reinstatement.
[I]The Perfect Distance[/I] by Kim Ablon Whitney is a work of fiction, but it contains many factual situations and benefits from her insider’s perspective. Kim grew up, rode, and competed in New England during PV’s flourishing career before and during these incidents. Kim placed at the AHSA Medal Finals and USET East Medal Finals in 1992 and competed in the ASPCA Maclay Finals three times. Her years competing in the equitation gave her the insider knowledge to tell the story and bring several important details about this period of equine history to life. She also is a USEF ‘R’ judge in hunters and equitation. Kim would not write a novel referencing these crimes if it wasn’t valuable and important to tell the story, even in a fictionalized way.
Snowbird, jetsmom… DROP IT!!!
I have no doubt the horse belongs to Paul. However, there are a million and one ways for it to “belong” to Paul and still legally show. Until anyone can prove otherwise, we’re going to assume that’s the case.
Now, if you want to debate whether or not it’s honoring the “spirit” of the suspension, that’s fine. But the inquisition ends here. Got it?
If PV felt bad about what he did and went to the cops with the info on his “buddies” before they caught and charged him, THEN, I would say, it should be considered a mitigating factor. Doing it to save your hide and get a reduced sentence AFTER you have been caught means nothing. He didn’t feel remorseful enough about what he did to turn himself in, along with info on the others, so I think he isn’t sorry for what he did, but sorry he got caught.
Personally, there is nothing he could do or say that makes me think he should be reinstated.
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