Originally posted by War Admiral:
…possibly a trophy sponsorship.
I remember discussing this with a friend who frequents these boards 
about 5 years back. I thought it was a good idea for a memorial then and am pleased to hear the idea is on the drawing board again.
OTOH, who would judge? 
War Admiral, I’ve alerted my fellow eventers with a new thread in the Eventing Forum:
Please visit the “No Reinstatement” thread in the Hunter/Jumper Forum and read War Admiral’s opening message. Follow the link, and try to remember your outrage at those horrifying events. There is a very energized group of CoTHers who are working very hard to raise awareness and opposition to the current efforts by Paul Valliere and others to get reinstated into the USEF after a ten-year suspension for their parts in the horse-killing-for-insurance-money crimes.
They could really use the support, and the signatures on the petition.
Erin, thanks for letting me cross-post.
I’m pretty sure the AMA isnt a club.
How on earth did that go down so quietly?
Good question, Bali. She was a real treat…and is happily, and with seeming impunity,back at the horse shows.
Just a question Xegeba, How do you feel about the others that have been banned by the USEF? They will be up for reinstatment soon.
I used a thin tip Sharpie marker to color in the lettering–it is good to know that the color fill lettering is worth the extra $$
Then you must be winning.
jumper11, read the post directly above yours. Take it to heart before you post again.
Originally posted by Janet:
I think he is to be commended for helping out in the aftermath of Katrina. And the fact that I (at least) had not heard about it before this means it was NOT “just a publicity stunt”.
So it counts in his favor.
But it is still open to judgement how it balances against the negative items.
Yes, I understand…and Thank You.
It will take quite a bit, but an effort is an effort, and since only good can come from it, should at least be encouraged, rather than criticized.
SNL, you should probably state how much they cost (with shipping), and if the proceeds are going to go towards the anti-reinstatement effort.
so all the horses in the US… that end up as ALPO, are breeder culls?
"I don’t think it’s particularly useful to suggest that because certain people might not have “all of the facts,” they’re in the wrong. Face it, NONE of us have all the facts. Would you want people who knew a suspended person way back in the day coming on here and posting about alleged things he or she did that were NOT covered in the indictments? Because I heard straight from the FBI agents who investigated these cases that there were plenty more who were guilty – there just wasn’t enough evidence to convict, or the statute of limitations had expired. There were a LOT of dirty people involved in this whole saga.
But, when we participate here, we agree to an established set of “facts” as far as these discussions are concerned. And the facts are what has been documented in print or in court cases.
You seem to think PV is being treated unfairly here because of this mysterious “other side of the story.” What’s kind of ironic is that if any of the posters who are NOT fans of PV claimed the same thing – that there are “facts” that haven’t been told that would paint PV in an unflattering light, rather than the flattering one you seem to alude to – I’d delete it as soon as I saw it."
Thanks, Erin. Once again, you are absolutely correct. I’ve held back talking about things I know to be true because I heard about them from the people who committed the acts because the FBI couldn’t get enough evidence to convict the people involved, so on these forums they’re just “gossip”. If those names ever went public it would shake the USEF to its very roots. Tommy Burns named names and he did in a BIG way, both before he was caught and certainly after. The FBI questioned everyone on the show circuit in the Chicago are who might have been able to help at all and the things they asked about, the people THEY asked about. It still gives me chills and leaves me sitting here wondering why after getting out of horses for so many years do I really want to do this again.
If the facts were truly known. Oh,IF! So many, many people would be singing different tunes and so many BNT’s and BNR’s would be shrinking from the public spotlight in shame. What is known as “fact”, what people were actually convicted on is just a tiny tip of a great big iceberg. A great big scary iceberg.
There are monsters among us. Don’t ever doubt it.
I have a friend here in NoVa who’s an FBI agent. I’ve told her about the horse killings and she’s gone and looked at the files. She told me once that she has never seen true evil, but that I have. She said, you’ve looked true evil in the face more than once. And, she’s right. And evil face isn’t always an ugly one.
Originally posted by DMK:
big dawg, if you actually have a point to make, Godwin’s Law is no way to go about it.
What a great link, DMK! 
I’m sure there is a corollary in there about abortion, politics and/or religion!
Big Dawg…What you are experiencing, is simply an example of actions leading to consequences. The killing of a horse for insurance money, may be no more heinous to some people than using arson as a means of insurance fraud. However, in the horse community, it is one of the most egregious crimes anyone could commit. A significant number of the community’s members will never welcome the offenders back to the fold.
That is something the the guilty will simply have to live with, whether they or anyone else thinks it’s fair, or not.
Originally posted by harryjohnson Aefvue Senior Gardens:
But Anthem, didn’t you say we should encourage him? You know, it is extremely easy for those with money and non structured jobs to donate time and cash. I think that the child who gives up a portion of their allowance, or the ones in this area that gave up a week of showing and sent a truckload of hay, that is an act of charity. They weren’t encouraged, these are kids who compete against each other for points, who decided on their own to make an effort. I would have a difficult time encouraging someone to be charitable, when I see children showing charitable instincts
on their own.
Well, Harry, Paul is neither a child, or without money…but isn’t is unfair to discriminate against him because of it, don’t you think? I don’t think anyone encouaraged him to do it, I’m not even sure they asked. He just went.
He is a healthy man who can donate both money and strength, and he does. Just becasue he isnt down and out doesnt make his efforts less valuable.
I’m sure the families of Katrina appreciated any help they could get…
Racetb, I’m not going to spend hours going back through this thread and deleting every out-of-line comment. I’d be here for days.
I am, however, stuck at my computer for the next several hours, and so help me God, my finger is staying poised directly over the delete button. I will not hesitate to delete anything even remotely snarky, and if people keep pushing it, I’ll simply give them a nice two-week posting vacation.
You’ve got two strikes. Wanna go for three?
If you all are going to insist on acting like kindergarteners, you’re going to be treated like kindergarteners.
Originally posted by Racetb:
LMAO!! He is a thing of beauty. I will be the envy of all when I finish my collection by attaining the elusive CURLING JESUS. Who could resist these precious statues???
Oh hell Seal, it’s been a long crappy winter…I’m obviously losing what little mind I have left.
You might be losing it but you gave me the best laugh of the day when I saw your reply.I think many of us are coming along with you for the ride.
I will be on the look out for a Curling Jesus for your collection. 
Originally posted by harryjohnson Aefvue Senior Gardens:
I don’t think BaliBandido has been unclear, but perhaps my powers of comprehension are greater than others.
Perhaps, but a selective one, apparently.
keeping this on the front page. . .
two of my friends have had been unable to add their signatures.
I resent them the link.
I signed it and sent the link to everyone in my horse related address book.
Anthem, thank you.
One more question. You asked how he could make amends and help his cause…
Why doesn’t he take 15 min and come on here himself and explain why he did what he did, and answer some questions that everyone here has and be willing to scan documents showing ownership of horses, farm, trainer payroll proving that the trainer that goes to the ring isn’t being paid by him, etc? It might cost him 15 min a night to answer questions, but would eliminate speculation. If he is truly remorseful, and not violating the terms of his suspension, he could put all of this to rest and gain some support.
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