If it is, the courts that upheld the AHSA ruling have contradicted the AHSA.
pony breeder aefvue Pig Farm…thank you.
Showponymom…didn’t say it makes it okay…it was acceptable at the time…times do change
Do we list every person that has sent a horse to slaughter on this non-reinstatement list???
Pine Tree: I read through posts…many people said they read posts, are not involved in horse shows…
Show Mom- I di dpony club, 4-H fox hunted, showed at all local levels, judge at benefit shows as well as A shows,I have shown at the biggest, I am on an USEF commitee.
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Sheery3313- I am a new to these boards. I have read them for years. First post. Yes. Know what is going on? Yes. I have been involved with horse for over 30 years. I said I have skimmed this thread from the beginning. I was curious why it started.
GOOD LORD HIDDENLAKE…
We are going to run YOU for President…that was so well put and beautifully said !!! YOU GO !!!
Originally posted by Riggs:
How many times have we seen people in the horse world, who, when misfortune unexpectedly comes their way, divorce, illness, death, job loss, they can no longer pay the freight. The horse is for sale but sometimes it takes more than a few weeks to sell a horse, and the horse ends up having to go fast, very fast no matter what or where.
Not uncommon - we’ve all seen it happen. Very sad to see. They are an expensive part of our lives and its heartbreaking I am sure to have it happen to you. It’s bad enough to watch it happen. I dont really think the people it happens to always have time to plan. And lets face it, some people just arent good money planners. Especially if all their money goes into their horses! So the horse has to go and go NOW.
IMHO I think it is because they can’t survive on their own and trust us to look after them. To that end, a slaughterhouse or auction to a bad home is pretty guilt creating.
Typical middle-aged woman mentality. If said unfortunate person burned down their house for insurance $ to support their horse (and stupid kids), you’d salute her courage. If she off’ed her horse, you pity her. If he offs his horse for insurance $, you condemn him.
Sorry, Xebra and I know more about this game than all the rest of you put together.
Schyler, I’m with you.
But, not just for forgiveness’ sake. I am horrified by what amounts to a “mob” trying to influence the Hearing Committee and deny PV his Due Process when this case comes before them. In all trials, a defendant enjoys certain built in protections such as Change of Venue and Voire Dire from inteference by the public and the media. Yet here we have a bunch of people planning on using propaganda to try to destroy this man’s professional life…to make it extremely uncomfortable for anyone to choose to be his client.
I am as mushy about horses as any of you, and I have a barn full of toothless old derelicts, long past any usefulness, chowing down the most expensive high protein gruel that I can concoct, and taking up space that could be filled by saleable horses, to prove it. I can’t imagine killing a horse for convenience. But I still believe in civil rights, and due process, and what I see happening here is not only mean spirited, it is wrong.
I say, let PV have his hearing in April, and abide by the decision that the Hearing Committee reaches. I hope that I never lose sight of the ability to judge situations on facts alone, and to believe that a person can redeem themselves with a second chance.
I know PV by reputation only, and have no personal interest in this issue. But I find the direction this thread has taken, well intentioned as it may be, to be just plain scary. 
I worked at a boys prep school and we had an equestrian program there. We got many show horses and ponies donated to the school program that were no longer wanted or needed. In exchange the owners got a tax write off on the value of the horse. These horses had been shown at “AA” shows not local level. It was a win win situation.
Snowbird, however fondly we might remember those days, I don’t think we would stand a chance!!! The horses of today are much nicer than what we had, many of us would just take something from the pasture to show, with no conditioning or training. None of our horses would have brought ten cents in insurance money.
Excellent. 
The reason why PV and other convicted horse felons should not be reinstated has little to do with the willingness to forgive or not forgive these people.
It has everything to do with what is BEST for the horse industry.
We owe it to future generations of horse enthusiasts.
I bet Tanya Harding is sorry too.
Originally posted by Snowbird:
The U.S.A Horse Shows Association, Inc. in New Jersey for non-profit sport clubs for equestrian. It is one year old and I’m not surprised you haven’t heard because we do not have big budget for marketing.
We have delegates to a Leadership Council from about 14 states, there are no Officers and our website is http://www.usAHSA.org. I have donated this for the benefit of the grassroots to try and find ways to enjoy our sport if you can’t spend millions.
In any case what’s important is this is the kind of thing we want to help get done and as a non-profit I think we can do it to help. It fits within our charter to make sport honest and fair for everyone regardless of their financial position.
My dream is that some day I will live long enough to see this as a place than can sponsor the good riders without money so they don’t have to be politically correct to get a sponsor. And, I dream that we will have the breeding program grow to the point where we like the french can demand that both members of our Olympic Team be American bred.
I know I’m just a foolish old lady and it can’t happen but I can dream, and I believe dreams can come true. I hope that I can convince young people to believe in the same thing. And it’s just an offer. If there’s a better way Harry let’s do it.
I think that is one of the most positive things I’ve read on here lately. Any reps in NC Snowbird?
But, not just for forgiveness’ sake. I am horrified by what amounts to a “mob” trying to influence the Hearing Committee and deny PV his Due Process when this case comes before them. In all trials, a defendant enjoys certain built in protections such as Change of Venue and Voire Dire from inteference by the public and the media. Yet here we have a bunch of people planning on using propaganda to try to destroy this man’s professional life…to make it extremely uncomfortable for anyone to choose to be his client.
how is the petition denying PV his due process? this is not a TRIAL…more like a parole hearing…and what propaganda are we all using? The petition is simply a way of letting the USEF know that people do not want ANY of the horse killers back in. And as far as ruining his business…please don’t make me laugh.
I don’t think this is a troll at all. I think this is a sick human needing help or a would be horse killer because he defends the action.
But he fits the troll profile on many threads - just throwing out lines to get a rise out of someone.
Originally posted by DMK:
Mike, said banned coach was also seen “hanging around” with the team members and I believe that team was also busted for having blood analysis equipment and syringes in their quarters (as well as reportedly dumping stuff out the window when raided). So there were a few more extenuating circumstances…
But yes, I thought how timely, as well…
True but it is also true that the only reason this team was brought under suspicion was because they were seen in the company of a banned, persona non gratis (SP) ex coach… Guilty by association??? interesting and again the point is that this person in the opinion of the IOC was not in compliance with the spirit of his suspension…
Snowbird, when you brought it up to BM at the convention, did you separate out the reinstatement of the people convicted of the horse killings, or was it all under the ‘no felons’ umbrella?
Originally posted by radio talk Aefvue Farms RCA:
If you have gotten nasty emails from this board, then you need to forward them to Erin. The BB has rules, which I know Erin has stated to all of us. She will handle that.
You know, I would really prefer to just ignore them, rather than add fuel to the fire…
I really have no patience for people that can’t fight fair.
who cares if 1 in 100,000 have a shot at being adopted. The people that send them there don’t care. They are no different than the boys. Have a horse, don’t want the horse, want money. and so what if a stallion gets adopted? Do you know what happens to them after that?
Well thank you Canadians. My first riding instructor and the only time I could ride was in the summers in the Laurentians. Roger Vigneau was a remarkable man who taught the true love of sport and was a relentless teacher making you face your fears and beat them.
I think many of the best days of my life were spent in Canada and I loved the free spirit up there. The tolerance for individuality was wonderful. I trust it is still the same.
Maybe some of you remember him as an announcer on CBC which he was for 25 years. I’m not sure now I would forgive him for getting me hooked on skiing because that really beat up my knees and today I am paying the price for abusing my legs for far too many years.
Roger came down here to get me started at Suburban Essex in West Orange. And, when my son said it was impossible for him to learn French Roger took him home for two weeks where no one would speak english at all for the two weeks. When my son went to Paris on an AIFS trip he was the only translator for the group when they needed important information like where’s the restroom.
anthem35 if you’ve been here then you should understand the difference between what a horse can do for you and what we need to do for the horses.
The next generation of youngsters coming up; and those not even born neeed the opportunity to have icons of this sport they can respect. An accident is what GM had in Florida when his horse was impaled on a pipe rail. It is not an accident to hire a professional to make a horse’s death look like an accident.
Murder Inc. did that with people, they had just as good reasons as PV had unless he can tell me why it was different. I agree with you; being sorry speaking an apology is not good enough. If he was out of his mind…if his kids were starving and he was going to be homeless maybe I could find a soft spot. Even if he was drugged out of his mind maybe I could forgive him if he hadn’t taken the drugs himself.
I’m very glad for you that he can forgive you because a Quarter Horse is what you need. I am happy for you that he is willing to get the best he can out of you and your horse. And, if I could believe that he had learned his lesson I would be really happy for him.
BUT…as an icon of this sport like any Olympian they have to be above reproach. Character, honor and integrity are not just words they are part of an ideal. When that ideal has feet of clay it undermines everything. Please understand I hate to see wasted talent and I do believe that Paul Valiere has talent but right now his mission is to prove that bending the rules and tap dancing around them is evil.
Originally posted by Coreene:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Coreene:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
And Eric Lamaze has been caught three times for cocaine, and he is still in the sport–once he was either going into or coming out of Australia, I think, to/from a competition.
Oh please, like a little tootage is the same thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It amazes me that some of you think that breaking some laws are o.k.–but others are not…he got busted [arrested] 3 times. cocaine is a big problem in this and other countries…the USEF has suspended people because their horses tested positive for the drug and it is a prohibited substance.
Wow, you just want it Your Way, and have no logical point of view it appears. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey, airhead, do not put words in my mouth. If you would read for comprehension, you would see that my opinion is that snorting coke is not the same as having horses killed for insurance $$. Nowhere did it say that I thought it was okay to break any law. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
let’s not get b…, if you cannot be civil, respectful and polite, you should got to some other chatroom.
