Originally posted by Yours Truly:
O.K.–the onus to file a complaint is on the person with proof of a violation. And you’re telling me that no one has done that.
Is there someone out there with the proof and the desire to file a complaint?
or a Steward (or Technical Delegate in other disciplines) can file a Charge
Ah…I AM working on a news release about the petition effort, actually…I just got swamped with real life and work and have not been able to execute this yet.
BUT…it will be done and when it’s OK’d by WarAdmiral and anyone else who needs to see it/is quoted in it, I’ll be happy to post it and ENCOURAGE everyone to send it around. I’m actually going to send it through AHP but have to do a second version for that to make the distribution fit in with their guidelines (ie it will be going out as my company doing this pro bono campaign…then all the details of the effort).
Sorry it’s not done yet…as soon as I earn the board money I’ll get to it ;-)!
Originally posted by Janet:
In this case, the “brownie points” consist of being permited to APPLY for reinstatement earlier than the others.
I don’t believe PV got any prison time either.
serious, like the pulling of sponsors
Well put jn. I too was around during that time and heard the jokes and was as sickened by the cold-heartedness and total lack of all things decent then, as I am today. I still feel a painful knot in my stomach every single time I think about it. I am changed for life and a part of me and a part of my sport died along with those horses. Some will make light of it, think it’s no big deal, it’s in the past, chalk it up to the cost of doing business, it was a mistake, everyone is sorry, put on you big girl panties and let’s get on with things. If you can do that, I envy you. Not all of us can and we shouldn’t be forced to or made to feel that we are a bunch of hysterical out of control crazies. I was there, I watched it all unfold and I will always be saddened and deeply affected by it and it is something that no amount of time or apologies will ever be able to erase.
my point was that I do think Big Dawg is PV
He is definitely one of them, or at least very close to one of them. Anyone that thinks they are not monitoring the COTH forum is totally blind… and if they were not, they would be stupid. They are ALL here - mostly in lurk form, but they do try and sneak out occasionally “hiding” behind a S/N. What they don’t have is the guts to step up. THIS is their punishment, and they are not accepting it. The horse people that they have hurt by destroying their faith in professionals deserve to be able to have their say in court, and THIS is the Hunter show world’s court. The hurt didn’t go away in a year, or 2, or 10. Their betrayal to the people, and especially to the animals that make this way of life possible is still a very fresh and raw wound. One they have NEVER appologized for to the people of the hunter world.
so step up boys! Tossing off more attacks at the people here is only serving to show that you have NOT learned anything.
Think about it xegeba. I’m sure you can wrap your peabrain around it.
This board (COTH and all subsidary threads) are bad for my health! I really need to sit down and do my AP Euro homework, but really… This is just SO AMUSING!
And Racey, love, PLEASE more stories soon! I need something to justify this sudden drop in grades, and I am sure that my horsey teacher will understand after your stories!
But he does under the terms and conditions of USEF Harry. As a Farm Acres Wild is Active and owned by Paul Valiere on their books Acres Wild may compete even though owned singularly by PV. No red flags go up.
Very inconsistent record keeping it seems to me. Who’s fault is that?
The Private paperwork may say other wise however and we all know that too. That’s the problem everyone who deals with him knows and they don’t care either. Unless they get suspended themselves that is!
Meadow Lark, if you go back in this thread, VB describes the horrific death of her mom’s wonderful horse at the hands of someone who wanted to buy it and couldn’t. I’m not sure why you’re being rude to those who do not support re-instatement. We are entitled to our opinion as you are to yours. Being rude will certainly not sway us.
You know telling us “it’s been ten years, go get a life” is becoming a very stale attitude. Yes, it’s been ten years but I haven’t read a public apology from PV. In fact, in his last quote to the press (that I know of) he stated “what do people want me to do? die?” That sounds like he feels he was a victim and people who feel they’re victims aren’t ready to face up to their mistakes. I have also read on here that PV never apologized to his friends and in fact, hasn’t talked about the insurance killings in ten years.
Originally posted by mwe:
Like it or not, it was just what was done at the time.
See that makes it sound so blase, so like everyone was doing it. No big deal. Kinda like when my child looks at my high school graduation picture and sees the 80’s big hair. Well that was what was done at the time- I am so glad I missed out on the kill the horse for the sake of ego and pride fad.
Having been around the horseshow world for a while (as evidenced by the fact that I was graduating high school in the big hair 80’s) I have to say that I do not believe it was that common, that so many people were doing it. I recall the horror of many, many people at the time- they certainly were not aware that it was standard practice.
let’s get t-shirts, ball caps, jackets and coffee mugs–just like Rush Limbaugh does.
Silk…lmao! We remember.
The way I look at it, PB…I was on the fence, even stuck up for PV with a couple of stories of kindness he had shown me along the way in my Jr. years, etc. But some of these insulting, ridiculously invented stories of BIG NAME yada yada cheering squads…aspersions cast on our show experience [dudes,don’t even THINK any of you have had the quality horses and wins PB has had] Horrid, cavalier comments on the animals’ deaths…have turned my stomach and my leanings on this subject. Tell you the truth…I think PV would CRINGE at some of this “support”. I think most people would agree, that with “friends like these, who needs enemies?”. 
Hi, new here. Was scolling thru the 50+ pages of this thread and at some point read a comment about making this not just a US issue. Just wanted to let you all know that I signed the petition, sent it to all my contacts(¬ just horse people) & they have signed. We’re from Canada & all very familiar with the PV (& others issue). Many of us have spent winters at WEF & have opinions of how ‘business has continued & prospered despite’ for PV. Your petition has our full support.
Originally posted by Snowbird:
Big Dawg it’s simple there are good people and good people just don’t think the way you do! You have a very warped mentality. You might consider some serious treatment for you psychosis.
Can’t you see your problem? You defend those who fraudulently kill horses for money. And then you accuse honest folks of stealing money.
This is the second time you’ve made that accusation don’t you see it’s a pattern.
Fairview I don’t think this is a troll at all. I think this is a sick human needing help or a would be horse killer because he defends the action.
I must be lost in a blue state–and it is not Kansas. These people can only do name calling. They can’t read the USEF rules properly. They want to hang everyone who disagrees with them…forget discussing the issues. Just call names. Yikes, it is 1st grade again but full of yuppies!
Good point, Ub. I guess I will just look the other way from now on.
Originally posted by harryjohnson Aefvue Senior Gardens:
His wife was a millionairess before she met him?
Jill MArtin? Yes…Billy Martin’s widow, I believe.
TB or Not TB?
An amazing post…you articulated quite well my thoughts on the matter. Throughout our lives, we are often asked to make moral decisions based on specific events. I have a hard time reconciling customers who think that PV should be forgiven his crimes with his actual actions. Sometimes one has to “dig deep” to take the moral path. It can make you uncomfortable, unpopular, and change your life relationships. I agree with you, however. Thanks for such a great post!
Originally posted by anthem35:
There are NO Kids in violation!!!
There are NO Kids at risk!!!
There are NO kids at AWF who do anything other than respect their trainer and focus on learning.
so they are not exhibiting? “his kids” are just riding at home “doing well”?
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