The OTTB and His Development

Maybe this is a bit of a hot take but I don’t think there’s enough in the OP (or replies) to fairly say that the trainers was out of line, doesn’t understand TBs, is rushing you etc. What are you currently doing? What are your goals? We don’t even know what the horse’s topline looks like. Maybe it’s beautiful, maybe there are some glaring issues - most likely it’s somewhere in the middle but we don’t know.

I will say, speaking generally and not about OP directly (because, again, not enough info), I think there’s has been a big trend in slowing things down WRT bringing horses along. Like to the point I saw a post from an OTTB influencer person that they didn’t ride for 3 years because that was the only way they could make progress with their horse (with the after clips showing them just trotting around). I think taking things slow is great but know, as I’m living it now with a 5yr old OTTB of my own, that it is easy to fall into a comfort zone and not push the horse to be just a little better. I see people all the time on both green and well broke horses, who have aspirations of moving up or showing more, who fall into the trap of not pushing themselves. They go around and around instead of saying can I get pony to stop right at C? What about exactly 1 stride after? Or whatever marginal improvement they could work on (which is why regular lessons are helpful for many as there is an external voice to help push the comfort zone and work on the continual improvement). There is so much that can be done at W/ T to get softer, straighter, more supple that will translate over to more advanced things later that nearly every horse and rider can work on.

I do think if a horse has been off the track for a year and half, barring any substantial injuries or mistreatment (mental baggage), you should be past the “unpacking the track life” stage.

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I’m learning a LOT lately and the people who mentioned the muscling of an OTTB vs another horse really hits home. Most TB’s I’ve worked with have been OTTBs, but the current baby was never race trained (a first for me) and his top line is totally different and he doesn’t get worked much at all.

Granted this is an n of 1 in the non-raced group and he’s younger than the others I’ve worked with too. Either way, based on this I agree that the OTTB has some undoing and redoing of muscling to do that takes time.

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All fair comments. His topline, I personally think, is consistent with other horses at training level. He’s grown over 3 inches in height and really bulked out in the past year so it’s definitely not as good as it could be, but not grossly under.

And this trainer just knows me and knows I want to keep going in Dressage. I’d like to one day in the future take this horse 2nd level and she knows that. But, I’m not concerned with getting there anytime in the next 5 years and I think that’s where we diverge.

This baby horse is one of the best horses I’ve ever ridden (even including trained ones lol). He was off the track two weeks before I got him and he settled in adult ammy life almost immediately. We never even really had an “unpacking track life” stage.

I apparently haven’t gotten any new riding (or even full body) pictures since December or I would attach one.

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Do you have a Pivo? These are great for recording rides and for tracking progress. I use mine a lot since I’m not able to get weekly lessons (it’s more like monthly these days).

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I have access to one! But do I remember to drag it out before the horse and I are already walking over to the ring? Never.

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Ignore them. Every horse has a different journey. You have time. Just do what’s best for your horse. Educate yourself as much as possible so that you can recognize good training from bad.

Look at the parameters for TL. It’s not to be round. It’s acceptance of the bit. Like a hunter (horse) might go.

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This is your young horse and you should train him the way you believe is best, not based on a schedule. I’m in a similar position, but opposite scenario:

Bought a purpose-bred 4 yr old WB last fall who looks more like a TB (tall, leggy, slender build). His previous trainer was asking if I’d be riding him in the 5 yr old classes this summer, etc. I said “no”, I was going to take a year to get to know him, continue the basics and let him grow up/fill out. He has such a baby face, my dentist said his upper canine teeth haven’t erupted yet and vet agrees he’s a late bloomer. He recently turned 5, but I’m still treating him like a 4 yr old and my long time trainer agrees 100%. My guy is very sensitive and was starting to grind his teeth with his training rider. His program was prepping him for international auction. Now that he’s mine, I’m taking it slow, but steady and it’ll hopefully pay off in long term mental and physical soundness. He’s no longer grinding his teeth. You see so many horses pushed and it damages their bodies and trust. Getting this horse from an internationally known breeder has been a lifetime dream. I will take the time it takes and not feel bad telling everyone who asks if I’m showing him this year, no, I am not.

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Given the additional comments about your goals, I do think the trainer is out of line (more from just being polite vs being unprofessional). There is definitely a different mindset (speaking generally again) between owners and pros. Pros want to get horses going so they can make money, either by training fees, show fees, or a commission. Owners are usually enjoying the journey vs the destination. It could be that mindset coloring those comments. I still wouldn’t take super kindly to them. IIWM, I would ask “what about pony makes you say he is not where he should be?” Or “what do you think needs improved to get where I want to go?” Those answers would help me decide if I wanted to continue to ride with this trainer or not.

Second is an extremely reasonable goal and should be well within reach for an OTTB, especially if you have no deadline.

It sounds like you are greatly enjoying your boy! Slightly off topic, but I think bringing along an OTTB is one of the most rewarding things you can do in the horse world. They are fantastic partners with great work ethics and so much athleticism. I hope we hear more updates about your journey with him!

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Oh, it’s been an extremely rewarding experience. He’s blown every OTTB stereotype out of the water. And having a horse that tries instead of giving minimal effort at all times (cough cough my previous horse cough) makes such a big difference when teaching new skills.

There will definitely be updates on his progress as time goes on!

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My OTTB tried his heart out. Never have I had a horse try to please so much - once we had connected. Got him up levels but chose clinics over showing.

2nd Level is a super realistic goal. We went higher than that, and it was quality stuff in a classical sense. Just look for training that doesn’t compromise the horse because when the horse’s good will or physical health is gone, you’re done.

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I brought home a 3 year old OTTB last summer, and I still haven’t backed him yet. I rehabbed him through surgery to remove chips from both knees. Then we dealt with very sore front feet combined with ulcers, a couple of random puncture wounds, and now we’ve got some soreness in the hind feet. I think rushing the early years is what makes a lot of OTTB’s anxious in their second careers. I plan on riding this horse for the next 20+ years, so it’s okay with me that it took a year to get this far. At least he has a good ground work foundation :slight_smile:. Here’s an update video I made for his racing connections earlier this year.

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He looks sweet and super playful. :slight_smile:

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What a handsome goober! :rofl:

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@Sister7…I agree with @chestnutmarebeware.

I have mare that can’t be bothered with ‘playing’. Love watching the goober geldings.

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Love his attitude! He’s going to be a great partner for many years.

The Thoroughbreds are hard, ask me how I know.

Keep your chin up – you’re doing the best you can!

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@coffeehag how is it going now two years later?

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Well, now I feel the urge to show off the subject of this post! These are from December when he was so FLUFFY.

Maybe one day I’ll get someone to take updated pictures :sweat_smile:

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I am not a dressage person but am in the process of bringing along my first young OTTB myself and have felt the exact same way. I actually posted on the H/J forum earlier this year as I was starting to get more serious about getting him started over fences and was so afraid of messing him up (Getting a green OTTB started over fences).

The thing I have learned is that as long as you keep things fun and really focus on confidence building, you are not going to mess them up. And as far as timeline - if it’s your horse and you are having fun along the way, who cares how long it takes?

I think the hardest part is deciding when it is appropriate to push them further /challenge them vs. just staying totally in your comfort zone. It sounds like you like this new trainer and she might be a great person to push you to try new things, while you also still get the confidence building from your primary trainer. I ride solo and would have kept my guy at or under 2 ft all year, but had a chance to show with a trainer friend who encouraged me to do the 2’6 and my horse totally stepped up and handled it.

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Honestly, it’s going great. I’m not going to lie to you and say it’s all been roses, there are still days where it’s fucking hard. As my trainer reminds me, some of it is just that I have baggage with Poe. We have history, and that means that sometimes it’s hard to trust him when we’re doing something that already I struggle with. For instance, inside lines are my nemesis; I really struggle with them. Finding a pace, seeing a distance, inside lines live rent-free in my mind. And that means I’ll brace through them sometimes, and Poe doesn’t love that (fair, to be honest).

But we’ve also had huge wins. At the bottom of that post, I talk about how a few weeks ago we did our first derby (at a local show but still) and we got all our leads and two changes. Were there still mistakes? You bet – I chipped into as many fences as humanly possible. But we did it.

I spoke to my friends just the other day that sometimes it still feels insurmountable. I’m an ambitious person, I have big goals – my daydream is to qualify for the Adult Amateur Hunter Championships in the Low Adults. To do that, we have to net a Reserve or Champion Channel I or II show. And to do that I have to get my shit together and get all our leads. But as my friend so kindly said to me:

You’re not getting better slower than everyone else, you started in a different spot.

And it’s true. I started with a green horse and not as a particularly talented rider, I had to work harder to make the progress we did, including with the set backs of kissing spine surgery and getting his weight in a good place. But we’re doing things now that two years ago would’ve seemed impossible. That the Adult Championships are even a thing I can consider is a win.

So, it’s going well. It’s not always easy, but I do think that our wins are a hell of a lot sweeter knowing where we started from.

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