THE suspension list

In general, my understanding is that suspensions are published after the hearing committee has met and issued a ruling, unless there is more issues pending.

As a general rule of thumb, people are given time off around the same time of year as the infraction, unless it is a financial matter, which is treated different.

Don’s suspension was issued over a year ago, I believe last fall, possibly earlier and if I recall has NOTHING to do with the current suspension, just happens to take place around the same time.

It is WRONG for people to assume that all suspensions that occur at the same time are for the same reasons.

The show manager that was spoken of earlier was not suspended for a drug infraction, but for refusing to allow a drug tester to test the horse immediatly. Don’t know the outcome of the tests, but he was suspended for his actions, not a drug violation.

Some issues take longer to resolve and since they try to stick to the same time of year for the suspension, there have been many cases that it was years after the violation before the suspension actually occured.

LordHelpus - didn’t the guys who got nailed in the mid 70’s (Carl Knee comes to mind) get nailed for YEARS - rather than months? I thought he got 10 or 15 years or something like that…

The penalties are too low…

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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sesroh:
Is it right to change the standard because too many people don’t own the natural born hunter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is what gets me! A natural born hunter has some pep! Not dead quiet and kick to the jumps. Maybe we should change the name of the division?? Because while I would love to have sesroh’s new horse (he is a cutie!) at a horseshow there is not enough money in the world to make me ACTUALLY HUNT a horse like that.

Didn’t changing the specs in the Western Pleasure division help that discipline do away with a lot of the crazy things people used to do to make their horses carry their heads so low?


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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tiramit:
Erin, do you know if Ms. Sexton’s editorial is available online? I did a quick search through the archives, but without knowing the date, well… Thank you!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No… that would have been a Horseman’s Forum column, and those are not routinely put online.

You could certainly get a hard copy from the COTH office, though.

So are you really saying that a customer can’t just throw more money around to get the good ribbons in a the timeframe they want?..

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uh huh. How do you get suspended/

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MAybe they could change the courses so that alertness, adjustability, and good manners were rewarded. The endless in-the-ring 2 outside lines, 2 diagonals all with measured distances only serve to reward the brain dead hunter look. That change would, of course , require resetting courses between classes, and we all know that that is something that would slow down the factory production of back to back classes that is SO interesting to judges and spectators alike…

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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:NAME THIS DRUG: At one show the barn’s rider was somehow incapacitated and so the BNT got another very nice rider to ride the barn’s green and open horses.
What drug (or class of drugs) would have this effect?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I’ll take “Reserpine” for $1,000 Alex.

Actually, I know that Reserpine slows down the brain a tidge. Hence my vote. But, quite frankly, not even lifting their legs. . . .

So what’s the answer.

I am really disappointed to see Todd Minikus on this list. He is one of the riders I have really admired. He and Oh Star are just incredible to watch.

I don’t know the details of his particular suspension, but I hope it was for something like “medications messed up” rather than “use of performance enhancing drugs to win at any cost”

/sigh


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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
Julie,

Following this logic: a Malfeasor is someone who goes around commiting Mals.

If it wasn’t a word yesterday, it is today! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My daughter’s name is Mallory… does that mean Mr Bumpkin and I are Malfeasor’s?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madeline:
Now if we could only combine Weatherford’s scoring system with some more interesting and varied course design…

madeline<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Madeline, what kind of “interesting and varied” course design are you interested in seeing?

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BOTTOM LINE…
It doesn’t matter what level one competes at, or what discipline one declares… there are, and will always be, “bad apples” in the group.
I also strongly believe, that ALL parties involved in the current sweep of suspensions, had knowledge, and willfully acted with a blatant disregard for the consequences.
And the ones who continued to “medicate” even after being caught… deserve SEVERE punishment. I guarantee we will see some names a second time.

I guess then I feel sorry for the people who are buying someone else’s “investment” horse since the drugs and meds are not usually disclosed prior to the sale. Makes for good honest business.

Good point, pwynn…when I said “including some who have posted on this thread,” I was probably thinking of the other thread…

Much of the discussion has indeed overlapped.

(and thank you, SydneyS)

This thread gives me the chills…
At what point does a trainer say enough is enough, when the horse is dead???
It’s sad to say but someone will always come up with a method to quiet a horse, that can’t be detected in a drug test.

There is following the rules, and there is causing the writing of more rules because those rules in existance do not address the new and improved methods of keeping horses sound enough and well behaved enough to show.

War Admiral-“There once was a time when BNT’s up north did not feel they had to travel South for the winter (any more than Southern BNT’s feel they have to travel North for the summer). It was an option…When the money started getting big down South (circa the advent of the Tampa Gold Cup, when was that now, late 60s, early 70s?) a lot of us up North could see the writing on the wall: clients would want to go…”

That’s right. The “winter” Circut was always there, us Northerners just didn’t go. In Va the circut started with the spring Keswick (I belive) and went through indoors (if you qualified). Then the horses didn’t show for the winter and either had the time off or foxhunted to stay in shape. You then had from the end of march to mid May to get ready to go show again. And the shows were farther between. None of these HITS conglomerates in there. In our generation american horse shows have come to reflect the american mindset. It’s all about convenience, entertainment, and money. We want convenience so we have these clusters of shows like WEF and HITS (to name a few), we want to be entertained at all times so we have them every weekend, and the driving force (as has been pointed out many times in this thread already) for those in the business is money and the fastest way to make that is not the one with the horses best interest at heart.

I don’t think we should be so suprised at how our sport has ended up. It is simply a reflection of ourselves, our society, and our values. It’s not going to change until we change.

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I abhor the drugging as well, however, it is too simple to say that it is a lack of horsemanship that causes it.

The abnormal, exaggerated standards that hunters are driven to that causes much of this problem. The horse may be expertly and excellently trained, but the chemical help makes a B+ temperment into and A – enough difference to make a nice horse into a great one. Otherwise excellent trainers have a nice horse, but that extra degree of quietness might mean the difference between a $40K horse and a $100K horse. For some, the business aspect outweighs horsemanship.

I’m not excusing it. Shame on the trainers for compromising their standards of horsemanship. Shame on the owners for permitting/encouraging it. Shame on ALL of us for not working as much as we could with the national governing bodies to push for more realistic and meaningful judging standards.

LordHelpUS- I heard about the thread on Aiden but I believe that was before my time on the BB.
As for splitting the thread into further topics, I think you would lose the flavor of so many different responders.
Although this topic has gone all over the place it continues to come back to suspensions. I think that is absolutely amazing it continues to be active and kind of stay on track after some 76 pages of responses.
Three cheers for the BBer that started this topic and perked so much discussion and many different views.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Janet…one trainer is widely bemoaning that he had given his horse reserpine weeks before in order to clip it. Didn’t realize it would still test 45 days out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Giving a long acting (even if he didn’t know it would test 45 days out, he SHOULD have known that it was going to LAST a whole lot longer than the hour or so to clip) drug for clipping smacks of incompetence to me.

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