THE suspension list

Actually, I used the phrase “this particular net” badly. I meant it as a quick shorthand for saying that you could find out who the people are with current short-term suspensions by checking for a start and ending date, and those are likely the ones that people who have been aksing on this thread are interested in. That’s all.

I don’t know anything about the facts of any of these cases, or what these people were suspended for or, how their infractions came to be discovered. C. Boylen is right, it could be a whole range of things and something different for every one of them. Or maybe it is all for the same thing. I got no idea.

Sorry for the confusion.

Where, exactly, does one find the suspension list on the internet.
I am a computer illiterate.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kinsella:
Todd’s suspension is for Roller Coaster testing positive for Reserpine (which another of his non-showing horses is on - from everything I have heard and as far as I am concerned this was a mistake).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There’s a theraputic use for resperine?

I am so late to this party! Has the updated suspension list been posted?

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Their attitude is that it is the responsibility of the horse owner and trainer to decide what kind of show schedule a horse should have, not the Federation. That is not going to change.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree completely - so as an owner, you have the CHOICE in showing, training, involvment, in what you order on your pizza.

I would never want a Federation choosing for me when I can and cannot show. I will decide with my trainer what is best for me and my horse.

Oh, it IS entirely possible to qualify for indoors without point chasing/showing every weekend… I qualified in 5 horse shows, and not with all blues either. Pick the right shows, know how the point system works, etc., and it can be done. My horse was fit, sound and fresh for indoors - huge advantage over folks who had campaigned hard all year.

Are we ONLY discussing horses at the top level(AA, 4 footers and up), or are we discussing the sport as a whole? Some people are saying that to keep a horse at the top, you need the “whole program,” plus they are crying about their financial commitment, while others are saying drugs are worse at unrated shows because it is completely unregulated.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ad hoc:
Help! I just found my trainer’s name on the list! I love this person. They have done so much for my skill level and confidence. I had no idea they weren’t in good standing. What does this mean? What do I do!

I’m down with OPH!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would say you would need to ask your trainer what’s up? Then make a decision based on fact and how you feel the situation is being handled.


“We learn from history that we do not learn from history.” ~ George Bernard Shaw

Anybody read this week’s COTH??

A leading Dressage rider, name escapes me-she rides Rusty and lost the World Cup on a positive hit for testosterone that seems to have a legitimate explanation-is now coming out for allowing therapeutic meds in FEI horses so they may be properly maintained and treated.

Her premise is that to properly care for these athletes, we must allow them the same advancements we enjoy without worrying about a positive hit a month later…and she is talking about NOTHING to mask problems or make them worse…just something to think about from somebody who actively shows on the International circuit and has made many World Class horses.

The Horse World. 2 people, 3 opinions. That’s the way it is.

You are right Janet He was suspended for bad checks. But I don’t understand why they (the USEF)allow him to be able to work at that same show or others working as a Course Desiner or as a Judge. I’m sorry it just doesn’t make sense. Plus they require all shows to have a RED Box (for Needles)Do you really think an exhibitor,trainer,groom etc. are going to come to the Steward, Managaement and ask where it is. I don’t think so. Maybe I’m wrong. Hope So.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I was talking with my vet today about the recent “scandal”. He used to be on the AHSA drug committee and is still very well connected and up to date in that area. According to him the trainers were using prolixion and phenobarbital together in a sort of cocktail. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I so don’t want to believe this – I keep hoping it ends up being something like a supplement – Last night, I heard the name of another trainer who’s alleged to be getting set down – This name really floored me – Somebody I really thought played by the rules –

I totally agree with the idea of testing, or at least sampling, all winners as the absolute best deterrent (or maybe the winner of one random class per division?). I’ve only been tested two or three times in all my years of showing and it was after obviously bad rounds (I do jumpers, no way I was getting a check) – based on my very limited personal knowledge of who was being tested it almost seemed like they were trying not to catch someone. I understand the random thing but if we’re trying to prevent cheating to win, test the winners!

“caught in this particular net”

WAS there a “special” net cast? Or does this reflect a backlog? (Sorry if I missed this earlier in the thread.)

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Justjump, I realize the list you gave on page 70 reflects possible answers, but as the subsequent posts have illustrated, for every proposal, there’s a counterproposal–one that WOULD be used by those who need to make a living at the sport by giving their clients what they want. Your proposals are what they “should have,” but that “establishment”…well, go back and look at the posts by C. Boylen and others. That’s the establishment and they are in a whole 'nuther neck of the woods from where you are coming from. Waaaay far away…and they are the ones who have the power to change things or retain the status quo (unless, of course, members could actually VOTE on major proposals…)

[Hmmm, sounds familiar. Where have I heard that before?]

Anyway, no, Justjump, you can’t change it because you do not have a voice in bringing about change. Period. The system is not set up for your good ideas to be heard, much less be acted upon. This industry is RUN by trainers and show managers and is paid for by clients.

Averaging will still require deadhead horses for riders who can’t ride (among other ills).

Changing hunter courses would be like trying to get Pony Jumpers to jump higher than Large pony hunters. If you do it, they WON’T COME–and so show managers won’t offer those courses. And there’s no current means in the by-laws that would force them to (or force the course designers to).

There’s also no way that show managers and trainers would ever allow that increment system to change: it’s the meat-and-potatoes of their business…and they are the ones sitting on the committees.

[Now, change the make up of the committees and maybe you might get somewhere, but that’s another issue entirely.]

I do agree with you on the testing thing, but as someone also said here: they’d just find new drugs or techniques. YOu can’t legislate (or test for) good management.

Again, I applaud what you are saying, but there would need to be a fundamental change in the structure of the BUSINESS part of the sport (including its governance) before your proposals would be anything but pipe dreams.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Midge:
Lake Wobegon-Where the women are strong, the men are good looking and the children are above average.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TOTALLY off topic here, but last Saturday Al Franken was on Lake Wobegon (on Guy Noir). He played Frank Allen, and he was touting his new book “Buying Tires and the Tire Buyers who Buy Them”

Of course this really is on topic, because I listened to it en route to a horse friend’s house. Now these friends are more than a little involved in the racing industry, and as we were shamelessly discussing the latest in horse show drug gossip, it turns out that ye olde not so pure-as-the-driven-snow racing industry has it’s own little scandal, only the NTRA is a little more saavy about PR. Turns out they developed a test for whatever the latest drug de jour is, only they were kind enough to tell everyone about that test about 6 weeks out from the Breeder’s Cup (so as to avoid a PR debacle). Sort of makes that ever expanding scratch list for the classic a little more 'splainable, now doesn’t it? And the longshots that won that day? Gee wonder how THAT happened?

As my friend said “At least we found out who could actually train a horse…”

But I digress… The point is that Al Franken is funny as hell, and when money or prestige is on the line, so is cheating. Ain’t nobody better than the next industry. Just ask all those most recent winter olympic medalists who had ALL their medals stripped (even the ones where they tested clean).

“I used to care, but things have changed…” Bob Dylan

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
How come some people (the recent BNT’s) have a start and end date, and others just have one date next to their name? Forgive my ignorance…I am just curious. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The suspensions for drug misuse all have a start and end date.

The “horse killing for insurance” suspensions are permananet, and have no end date.

But the rest of the suspensions with no end date mean that someone didn’t pay the show, or the competitors, or the USEF, and is suspended until they pay up.

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Coca cola? – I sincerely hope USEF is watching this thread – I hear they’re concerned about naming the drugs in the Notice of Penalty –

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coreene:
Tell me, Schatzi, you mean it’s twue that Germans used steriods on their athletes? Oh, yes, the old East German team, jawol, I remember now. Man, they were machines.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha. Remember the women’s swimmers? lordy… they were tanks!

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Limo Wrek, at Capitol Challenge in 2002, you could have seen a very fancy junior hunter flat out on the concrete, it’s legs shaking in the air in the morning and jogging for a very good ribbon in the afternoon. Gotta love that calcium. However, it’s not testable, so there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

What I don’t understand are vets who do this.

You can get suspended for not following the rules. That means anything from bouncing a check with show management to killing a horse/animal cruelty.

In truth the vast majority of people out there are for unpaid financial obligations (there are a couple from 1973! ), but some of them are for more serious issues (see numerous thread on Valliere, Ward, Lindeman, et al).

Was it just me or were there only two names out there for November (with limits)?

It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others…

This many people can’t be an accident.

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