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Or maybe Jaguar Mail? Nice, nice TB sport lines, and he’s producing eventers.
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I don’t think you can get Jaguar Mail in the US…
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If you want a Heradik son, look at Hunter. He is based in CA.[/QUOTE]
Where can you find info on him? Googling “Hunter Stallion” pulls up a ton of results but for horses like Red Wine, Apiro, etc…
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First, thanks everyone for responding. I was hoping to get a good discussion going.
As for Lotus T, I have met Andras and saw a couple of Lotus T babies at the Holsteiner inspection in Georgia a couple of years ago. He is more than 1/2 TB. Andras mentioned that he hoped that folks would use his stallion for eventing breeding. Very nice foals, from what I saw.
Anyone have thoughts about Corland? I read on another post here that the VDL stallion manager believed that he would make a good eventing sire, in part because of the quality of his gallop.
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IIRC, VDL Corland sired Jennie Brannigan’s Cooper. He was a very talented boy. I think Corland would be a great choice. But, I’m going to throw into the mix Beaulieu’s Coolman. He’s by Quidam de Revel, a very awesome jumper.
Does someone wanna be my new best friend and share if any is available and where it could be found?? 
Corland/Cooper
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IIRC, VDL Corland sired Jennie Brannigan’s Cooper. He was a very talented boy. I think Corland would be a great choice. [/QUOTE]
Cooper was/is a primary reason we are interested in Corland, along with the other things I mentioned. Heartbreaking story, that one.
Ok. Outside the box.
From what you have, corland and stiletto stand out to me. Corland babies can either be lovely and refined, or total pony types, I’ve seen it go either way. But here’s the rub, corland babies can be incredibly spooky. Really. Buy corland reliably throws jump. Stiletto babies seem to go one of two ways total talents or total duds. The talents I’ve seen have all been bred to TB moms and holy crap can they JUMP. I mean like out of their skin. And they are lovely brave sane horses. The duds tend to be bulky and kind of dumblooded, but are also almost always out of WB moms, so there you go. I personally like the stiletto minds better.
Unusual suggestions? Yeah. Heraldik and Riverman might be options. But if you really want out of the box breeding I would pick the lines you like, check the major studs in Germany and Holland, watch the videos and roll the dice.
If you like Cor de la Bryere I would take a serious look at the Dutch Voltaire lines.
I also like the new stallions the pollards have, 2 selle francais, can’t think of the names, but SF is heavily TB.
I just posted on this, but we are considering Hilton GS. A trakehner stallion whose father, bukephalos ran at the **** level. hilton’s grand dam is TB, a burghley competitor, and related to some of the best “Bally-” horses of Ireland. Hilton’s dam is by another lovely eventer at the ULs, Amiego. This stallion is really underutilized, especially considering his impeccable breeding for eventing (both parents competed at the Europeans and Pan-Ams, respectively, and his grand dam is some of the best IRISH TB blood out there).
I’m pretty sure you can…or at least you could. Denis Glaccum has a filly by him. I think she is now a yearling.
Out of the box?
Edelweiss de Bonce (SF with 87% blood and bred to jump)
Coconut Grove xx
neither are proven producers yet.
Then I’ll throw in Abdullah, Special Memories, Horales and Windfall. All P g Trakehner stallions that pass on their jump.
I just want to add, we love coconut grove for adding blood to WB mares. when breeding for eventing you really have to look for stallions whose offspring have excellent minds. Eventers need to be grounded. For that reason, I tend to shy away from 2 traditional event stallions: windfall and brandenburg’s windstar. Some of the babies are just so phenomenal, but many seem to get on the xc course and spazz out a bit, they appear to be (of course, not all) mentally a little more fragile.
I love the Lotus T and Sir Shutterfly suggestions too!
While you don’t link her full pedigree, it sounds as if your mare is already linebred for Nasrullah and Double Jay. If she’s concentrated, then I would think you want to stick with linebred stallions on top with her (but ymmv). Corland has a nice pedigree, but doesn’t give you much reinforced line breeding. Contendro gives you sex balanced Ladykiller and really strong inbreeding on Ramzes. If your mare is already short you might consider all that arab influence, but it should give you other things as well, including toughness and possible helping to more reliably impact neck attachment. Cicera’s Icewater gives you sex balanced Cor de and linebreeding on Ladykiller and let’s face it, his dam’s full brother is Cavalier Royale who is about as much a known as you are going to get as a modern event sire. Cabardino would also give you heavy inbreeding on Cor de and some sex balancing, as well as his sire’s (Carpaccio) sex balanced Ladykiller.
I’m really interested in Mighty Magic, so be sure to keep us posted if you go that way. He would concentrate your Nasrullah even more. A Fine Romance would concentrate your Double Jay and Nasrullah.
Are you breeding for an end use sporthorse, or for a filly to have to incorporate into a long term breeding program?
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Anyone have thoughts about Corland? I read on another post here that the VDL stallion manager believed that he would make a good eventing sire, in part because of the quality of his gallop. [/QUOTE]
That was my post, recounting correspondence I had with VDL about 10 or 11 years ago. He was their recommendation to breed to a TB mare to produce an eventer because of the canter/gallop. And he did turn out to be a good sire of eventers.
The ‘double pony’ tag does follow him around though. But that’s often about looks more than anything else.
I think EMCO has FO and CD available but not much of either. Can’t go wrong with those two stallions.
I wouldn’t recommend any of the recent Welton stallions (and yes, I’ve seen them in person) or Riverman or Brandenburg’s Winstar. The last two are mostly temperament issues, although, from what I’ve seen, Riverman is a more consistent producer of quality than Windstar.
Stiletto already has a foal winning at CCI** and he’s a son of Martini whose line is notable for their super trainability and intelligence.
I like the Heraldik son Herald, who showjumped for Spain at WEG. He’s about 11/16ths TB (similar to Catherston Dazzler) and has the right kind of movement and plenty of jump.
He’ll be available in 2011 but haven’t got the details yet.
More out of the box - there is also Silver Twist, by Abdullah out of a Gem Twist mare. If you are also interested in Stiletto and in a long term program, you could work on a very high percentage tb that is sex balanced line bred on Abdullah.
“If you like Cor de la Bryere I would take a serious look at the Dutch Voltaire lines.” ?? Is it possible this was meant to have Fuerst Gotthard instead of Cor de? Voltaire and FG both have the Furioso II Gotthard More Magic combos going.
I have right now a Cicero out of Wendy City xx (also line bred on Nasrullah and others) , a Fuerst Gotthard out of Operetta (SW - with a part Shagya grandsire, Urbino, and a tb dam, Mattei’s Heiress (linebred Nasrullah & Miss Disco) and an Iroko out of a “stallion fight over papers” tb mare, Dinkled (linebred Nasrullah, Ribot, War Admiral) and I really thing that if I was picking one to event, it would be the Iroko. The event rider who broke several of mine really likes her. I can’t figure out exactly how I got so much blood type (even more than the dam, who is a bit heavy) from this cross, except that Iroko does have 5 gen back a sex balanced Ramzes (and my BB has a lovely Araby head - go figure) so that would make me really wonder about Contendro for you.
Just wanted to comment on the above (not sure if anyone else has yet or not… ).
Fleetwater is going to be avail this year (2011) and EMCO has graciously even donated 2 doses to the ATA’s SSA that will be in Feb 2011 (starting bid is $500).
As for TKs and eventing - that is what they were orig bred for after all. 
(well cavalry horses but same difference lol).
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If you want a spectacular foal you might consider Avebury WF; he is placing at prelim right now and getting ready to move up. He is also schooling Prix St. Georges and more, as well as piaffe and passage. He comes from a long line of top event and dressage horses.
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another vote for “Dillon”
http://www.watermark-farm.net/avebury.html
http://www.paardenfokken.nl/pedigree.php?horseid=302757&maxniveau=7
More Pedigree Info
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While you don’t link her full pedigree, it sounds as if your mare is already linebred for Nasrullah and Double Jay. If she’s concentrated, then I would think you want to stick with linebred stallions on top with her (but ymmv). Corland has a nice pedigree, but doesn’t give you much reinforced line breeding. Contendro gives you sex balanced Ladykiller and really strong inbreeding on Ramzes. If your mare is already short you might consider all that arab influence, but it should give you other things as well, including toughness and possible helping to more reliably impact neck attachment. Cicera’s Icewater gives you sex balanced Cor de and linebreeding on Ladykiller and let’s face it, his dam’s full brother is Cavalier Royale who is about as much a known as you are going to get as a modern event sire. Cabardino would also give you heavy inbreeding on Cor de and some sex balancing, as well as his sire’s (Carpaccio) sex balanced Ladykiller.
I’m really interested in Mighty Magic, so be sure to keep us posted if you go that way. He would concentrate your Nasrullah even more. A Fine Romance would concentrate your Double Jay and Nasrullah.
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Thanks for all of the advice - I wish I had time to respond to everyone. I am no pedigree expert, so this is all very helpful. Here is my mare’s extended pedigree – there is also a photo of her linked to the pedigree (she’s preggers in the photo, though): http://www.pedigreequery.com/speedy+dee. After seeing this, do your thoughts stay the same?
I took a look at Hunter’s page and found Formula One instead! He was used as the sire for one of their TB mares, a full sister to Courageous Comet. Based on the looks of the foal, quite a good cross. Here’s the page, with lots of photos. http://minglewoodsporthorses.net/MinglewoodComet.aspx
I would be seriously tempted by Herald as well!
Thanks - I was hoping they would have him for another year!
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Thanks for all of the advice - I wish I had time to respond to everyone. I am no pedigree expert, so this is all very helpful. Here is my mare’s extended pedigree – there is also a photo of her linked to the pedigree (she’s preggers in the photo, though): http://www.pedigreequery.com/speedy+dee. After seeing this, do your thoughts stay the same?[/QUOTE]
Pleasant Colony is a very nice jumper/eventer type. Double Jay is an oldie but goodie not seen much these days anymore so the linebreeding there is a good thing. Personally I like Buckpasser crossed on PC so if I was looking by pedigree I would look for some Buckpasser in the pedigree. Avebury’s close up TB includes To Market, which is also a very nice and less common line among the myriad of Nasrullah/Northern Dancer bred TBs.
A Fine Romance would double (or triple) the Bold Ruler, Double Jay and Turn To lines.
Like my Mighty Magic…
Formula One is fabulous, I bred a TB mare who had gone Intermediate to him and have a lovely 4 mo old filly… I bred my Intermediate Hanoverian mare (11/16 TB) to him this year for 2011.
The TB mare is scheduled to breed to Future Illusion next spring…
Jennifer
