You must be a FB person to see, but take a look at this horse:http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php
Looks like a red dun to me, right? But the dun color is not suppose to be present in Akhal Tekes…
Other options? Dad was probably a light bay or dark buckskin…not sure of dam’s color.
Pictures are set to private can’t see them.
cant see the pics… i’d guess light chestnut though from the little you said. alot of red duns are mistaken for light chestnuts and vice versa.
Yep, given what I’ve seen of the color of some of the red Teke’s, I’d guess strong countershading and “just” chestnut.
A clipped chestnut will also appear to be red dun.
Very interesting post!
We have a sililar situation with our apps. They have testd negative to dun?.. but they dont contain cream so i guess either there is an undiscoverd typemsimilar to dun…or the test is faulty?
http://img200.imageshack.us/i/lillmisshenry.jpg/
in this short video clip the leg barring is very visible
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1926832/little%20miss%20henry%202010%20foal.wmv
Thoughts?
Oh belambi, appy does FUNKY things to color! LOL
This is a dun Appy stallion - Grande Design - BUT, he is BLACK. EE. So technically he’s grulla, despite his body color saying he should be bay dun.
I don’t have permission to post pics, but an acquaintance has an appy gelding who is dd, is E?aa, but whose entire body spots look like he should be palomino.
The dun test is only looking for markers - it’s not for the dun gene itself. However, it’s been all but proven there are breeds who do not test for the current dun marker test, so… who knows, there may well be at least 2 separate dun markers or genes.
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However, it’s been all but proven there are breeds who do not test for the current dun marker test, so… who knows, there may well be at least 2 separate dun markers or genes.[/QUOTE]
Thats my thoughts too.
Do the unis acknowledge this?
PS Grand Design is bay dun isnt he? he is Aa
Oh pewp, you are right, that is not the stallion I was thinking of. Rats.
Ok, well, scratch him. You’ll have to trust me though, until I can find a post-able picture of a black appy who is orange LOL
Sorry about the pic - -I can’t get in touch with my friend to have her email me a copy of the pic and I am such a FB idiot.
I just picked an image at random that matched the color of the Teke. Hopefully this will work:http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aspenranchrealestate.com/images/Skyrunning.jpg&imgrefurl=http://aspenranchrealestate.com/%3Fq%3Dnode/14&usg=__ROTgouzrfQm2itX_27XU7WPVk1w=&h=349&w=525&sz=36&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=q_aIXzOSYhhzIM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&ei=AAkhTrylJa_UiAKDwfSnAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dred%2Bdun%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DW4b%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D540%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=696&vpy=248&dur=3613&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=90&ty=198&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:0
To my knowledge, there hasn’t actually been “testing” for the dun marker (or lack of it) in the Teke breed, but long time breeders say it’s not there. And in truth, I’ve seen ALOT of Tekes and never seen one this color. I know he’s not clipped, BTW.
And just FYI, chestnut is actually a fairly rare color in Tekes as it is. It’s there, but it’s not a color you see alot of.
If I can get my friend to send me the pic I’ll re-post.
well the picture you posted is a red dun (most likely) Quarter Horse… with dun factor, so w/o pictures of the dun factor on the Teke… cant really say.
Okay, so you got me interested in Akhal Tekes and two seconds of googling brought me here: http://akhal-teke.org/colors.html which lists red dun as one of the possible colors of the breed.
ETA: I know absolutely nothing about Akhal Tekes and the website I found doesn’t look super professional, so I’m not making any claims as to the validity of the information. Just thought I’d point it out. 
Well, they do have a lot of info wrong (apparently the cream and dun genes combined contribute the “frosting” that the dunskin shows… which they don’t… normal buckskins have that too… it may be rare in Akhel Tekes, but it’s not rare in the coloration of buckskin or dunskins in general), but they do have duns, so therefore the horse is quite possibly a red dun.
or this gem… Cream Grulla. This is a combination of grulla or dark golden dun and perlino, also called ‘champagne’. In this color, the eyes may be blue, grey or hazel. This Russian stallion is a perfect example of the rare champagne color. (except Champagne is an actual modifier and ummm… not related to the dun or cream genes).
I can’t decide how to take that site LOL There IS so much listed wrong:
Cream Grulla. This is a combination of grulla or dark golden dun and perlino, also called ‘champagne’.
:no:
That said, there is a picture of a very red dun-looking horse
http://akhal-teke.org/images/claybank-reddun.jpg
I dunno for sure!
(Bowing head in shame) – well, THAT my friends, is the official site of the American AT registry. VERY small – haven’t dealt with them in years, to tell you the truth…they are not particularly popular with many breeders.
However I know many of the horses…I cannot express how ugly those pics make them look!! Asal (grandsire of my stallion) was long and elegant looking. And Pelenli (granddam of my stallion) who produced 12 foals in her lifetime, was a lovely mare with this shimmering coat…I’m guessing she might have been a champagne based on what little I know about color. I have a pic of her somewhere…
As for their accuracy, I have no idea where they are getting their color info from…I know that every plain old buckskin who came o/o Russia was called a “golden dun.” Just like the the western/english usage of “sorrel” and “chestnut” or “isabella” and “light palomino”, the terms basically mean the same thing.
I’ve never seen the pic of the “red or clayback” dun pictured on the site, but the horse I’m talking about IS the same color. So could that actually be a light chestnut with countershading? But why would it be just on the mane/tail and legs?
And would it stand to reason (I guess) that if there is red dun, then the dun gene WOULD be present in Tekes?
What is true is that Tekes come in all kinds of weird colors…more “weird” colors than just about any breed of horse I know…
The page lists grulla as a color, which is just black with dun. SO if grulla truly exists, then the occasional red run would show up too.
Yes they appear to have dun (bc there is a grulla, dun and red dun listed on the sight).
Isabella is a shade of palomino. chestnut/sorrel are the same thing.
BUT Dun and Buckskin are caused by two entirely different genes (buckskin is bay+cream= buckskin, dun is bay +dun gene = dun (aka bay dun, peanut butter dun, etc). So them calling buckskins duns is quite annoying, and unlike Welsh Ponies where they call it dun, but it’s really buckskin and everyone knows it bc they don’t have the dun gene… This breed has both genes, so you’d think they’d try to keep it straight.
lets not even go into the champagne gene in them (if they have it) haha.
The site is a little confusing, but I don’t see where they are calling buckskins duns? They do have isabella listed as a shade of palomino as well. They do have red dun on the site as well so I would guess it does exist.
I think the confusion starts with the description of the “Golden” color, where it’s described as being either “purely buckskin (without a spinal stripe) or dunskin (with a spinal stripe a few shades lighter than the mane and tail but darker than the coat and plainly visible).” but then goes on to say “these horses may be quite dark in color and may even be confused with bay; however, when bred together, they can produce perlinos and cremellos.”
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