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This color isn't suppose to exist...

Sport Horse Breeding
#21

I’m talking about the terms used when Tekes first started coming into the US. The Russians themselves and Americans never used the term “buckskin” – they used “dun”.

I have no idea of the time line in color testing (genetics), but when I hosted the American AT registry conference some 6 yrs ago, they were still referring to genetic buckskins as “golden dun”.

Kinor was 3 then, and I knew what he would produce would be a buckskin (he was a cremello), but imported Tekes were still being called “duns” if they seemed to be buckskin in color.

As I said, I haven’t been involved with the registry in quite afew years…just sayin’…

#22

It can easily tell the pictures are stretched in all the wrong ways - very clearly not how the horses really look :slight_smile:

I’ve never seen the pic of the “red or clayback” dun pictured on the site, but the horse I’m talking about IS the same color. So could that actually be a light chestnut with countershading? But why would it be just on the mane/tail and legs?

Sooty can mimic dun by putting wither and leg barring on.

And would it stand to reason (I guess) that if there is red dun, then the dun gene WOULD be present in Tekes?

Yep, and several of those horses really do look Dun

#23

Ok, I finally found one of the horses I was referring to originally. This mare is a tested grulla.

Here is her whole page, and you can see she actually looked grulla as a young foal
http://www.designsporthorse.com/Ava%20Photos%202007%20to%202003.htm

That’s what I mean by appy doing really, really odd things to color.

#24

And Tekes tend to have alot of sooty!

So sooty can effect red-gened horses as well, right? I’m assuming so, since you posted that pic of the palomino Morgan…

#25

Yep, if there are dun-looking markings on the withers and legs, and even face, but no dorsal stripe, it’s sooty

That dorsal stripe has to be there to be dun. It might be faint but assuming it’s not whited out you should be able to see it on even a double dilute. You would DEFINITELY be able to see it on a chestnut.

#26

So here is an akhal teke who I have not been able to decide what color she is. Bay, buckskin, dun? Father was buckskin (dun?) and mother is chestnut.

Picture of horse
Picture of dorsal stripe
Picture of leg markings.

Guesses?

#27

I strongly lean to dun. The tone of her body color is wrong for just bay, regardless of shade, IME. Dun tends to do more than dilute a bit, it seems to subdue the tone, not just the color, if that makes sense.

#28

[QUOTE=Ozalynda;5832978]
So here is an akhal teke who I have not been able to decide what color she is. Bay, buckskin, dun? Father was buckskin (dun?) and mother is chestnut.

Picture of horse
Picture of dorsal stripe
Picture of leg markings.

Guesses?[/QUOTE]

She could be a dun… she has the “flat” look to her kind of (how you are able to tell the difference between buckskin and dun in a lot of cases)… but as with most, if it’s really important to know, have the test done lol .

#29

Really, she doesn’t look bay?

If anyone has Facebook, this is Abba as a yearling:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1102060589154.2016959.1155878404&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=1102063229220&set=a.1102060589154.2016959.1155878404&type=1&theater

There are also other photo albums on my page that contain her legs which have the markings on the the legs from above. And also my profile picture contains a great pic of her ears and a lovely black stripe outlining each of her ears. No stripe down her back though. I’ve always just considered her bright bay but I get comments about her color all the time. And the chestnut sister has a metallic color to coat. It’s really weird. Absolutely nothing in the pedigree to even think there is something going on. The mare is a TB.

Terri

#30

smokygirl, yes, “flat” is exactly what I wanted to call what Dun does to a color.

Equilibrium, I think your album is set to private :slight_smile:

#31

I have zero idea but since we have gale force winds today I will do photobucket! Certainly giving riding a miss!

#32

[QUOTE=smokygirl;5833270]
She could be a dun… she has the “flat” look to her kind of (how you are able to tell the difference between buckskin and dun in a lot of cases)… but as with most, if it’s really important to know, have the test done lol .[/QUOTE]

Is there a test for dun gene?

#33

Yes, there is a test for Dun.

#34

Well that is interesting! I had understood that while there was a test for dilute (cream) gene, there had not been developed a test for a dun gene. If that is the case I am pulling hairs out tomorrow to send!

#35

Where can one test for dun? Looking at Animal Genetic Inc., the listed colors tested for are:
Red/Black Factor
Agouti
Champagne Dilution
Cream Dilution
Pearl Dilution
Silver Dilution
Gray
Frame Overo (LWO)
Sabino 1
Tobiano

I don’t see Dun listed. Is there another place to test?

#36

UC Davis
http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/dunhorse.php

#37

When you get the results please PM or email me. If the dun gene DOES exist in Tekes than this would answer alot of questions.

Also noted you need a sample from one or both parents. Are they talking about just the DNA findings or an actual NEW sample? Oz, are both the sire & dam of your mare still around? What is her breeding again?

JB, when was the test developed? Do anyone know?

#38

The dam, Abaza, is still around, and I pick her up from loan in Norway in three weeks so I can certainly take a sample from her. Unfortunately the sire, Gargantua, died as a result of a fall just a month after covering Abaza, so Geya is his last foal.

#39

Kyz, afaik it’s only a couple of years old, if that, as a public test

#40

Yup there is now a test for dun!! (I know a lot of QH and Morgan people who were thrilled about that!).

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