I’m not in the business, but they sound successful to me. :yes:
OMG One Fast Broad just won her race! She looked gorgeous in the paddock; big and dappled and fit. She looked like she couldn’t lose – and she didn’t. So exciting!
Am very grateful for what Brad Kelley is doing, trying to offer bloodlines with which people may outcross. Some of his stallions go back to iron horses; love them. Thank you Mr. Kelley and Calumet.
Holy Bull was free of Mr.P, Native Dancer and Seattle Slew. His son Giacomo seems to be as well. He is standing in Oregon? for $2,500. That outcross apparently hasn’t set the racing world on fire.
It was a lot of fun to watch Holy Bull run.
It magically re-appeared!
I forgot Mizzen Mast and Skipshot as ones free from the three subject stallions.
Adding to the 1x to Native Dancer list: Langfuhr, Creative Cause, Street Boss, Fast Anna, Medaglia D’Oro, Fort Larned, Macho Uno, Run Away and Hide…
All these links are going to get this post unapproved now. :lol:
So… My first long list of stallions was finally approved (Post #15). I then made the foolish mistake of quoting it while adding another handful of stallions I forgot. And dontcha know, now that post is floating around in the unapproved ether. I never learn. :lol:
When someone posts a sport-horse/non-track ISO looking for a TB with no recent Mr P or ND I always roll my eyes.
That’s like asking to go swimming, but you can’t get wet. All of those stallions have brought a lot to the table; not a single one of them, IMHO, are inherently bad for sport.
One of my favorite stallions for sport, Say Florida Sandy, only had ND once, and very far on the damside. No Mr P or SS. Sadly, he passed away a few weeks ago.
She was never raced due to an injury that I suppose occurred during training, but her babies seemed to be tough. They ran quite a few races and made some money, but no stakes winners.
She was a big bay tank with good feet.
Oh, I hope it posts! I would love to see your list.
I’m going to shorten what you (and you skydy) have posted and keep editing and adding to it for my ease of reference. Again, this is strictly for fun since I am not a breeder. (I feel like I need to keep repeating that so I don’t attract criticisms of my wonderful mares and reasons why I should not breed them – 'cause you know how these threads can get off track.)
And back to the original theme of this thread: Do any of you Thoroughbred (race horse) breeders consider outcrosses as part of your decision in selecting breeding stock, either stallion or mare?
Stallions with no Mr. Prospector, Native Dancer, or Seattle Slew:
Name (Important/Memorable Stallion in the Sire Line)
Aikenite (Nasrullah)
Big Drama (Buckpasser)
Favorite Bid (Nasrullah)
Giacomo (Rough’N Tumble)
Hat Trick (Turn-To)
Kafwain (Nasrullah)
Mizzen Mast (Nasrullah)
Oliver’s Twist (Nasrullah)
Orientate (Nasrullah)
Skipshot (Damascus)
Big Drama, Aikenite missing above.
As well as Mizzen Mast and Skipshot who I mention in the 2nd unapproved post that hasn’t magically appeared yet.
@Texarkana … your post made me take a look at some of the calumet boys. Love love love Musketier… wish he was available for a lower price to sport horse mares and stood in Virginia :yes: Never gonna happen, sadly.
I’ve got one more:
Lewis Michael
Speaking of him, mare has a Lewis Michael 5 year old filly floating around out there who only has 1x Native Dancer through her dam (by Crusader Sword). She never raced and wasn’t much to look at as a weanling last I saw her… but I would actually really like to own her now, especially since her momma is a freeloading pensioner these days.
Ok, I think I’m done for the US.
Americain by Dynaformer who stands at, Calumet. Really wanted to be to him, had the perfect mare. But they opened him a $25,000 fee. Heck of a racehorse. But that was too strong for his breeding in this country and foreign race record. He now stands for a much more reasonable fee of $7,500. But I am out of breeding for the time being, maybe for life.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-…6122/americain
I bred to Mizzen Mast. Orientate and to Notional who only has a little bit on RAN in the bottom 4th position on his dam’s side.
This a picture of the Notional out of a Gulch mare. Never sent him to track. Didn’t show enough race when training at the farm. Pretty horse that has been training with an Event rider to sell for me.
https://www.pedigreequery.com/notional2
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I left him out because he has 2x Native Dance on the bottom. But I do love him, even if he was a victim of Calumet’s nonsensical pricing scheme of a few years ago.
It’s a hard game to play with all the sneaky European Northern Dancer.
Not many of his progeny are winning at the tracks; hoping it will improve so he will get some better mares. Dynaformer needs a couple of sons who sire as well or better than Temple City. Wish Analyze It would start winning again since it might boost interest in Point of Entry. (Or do you think people will breed to him anyhow? Would like to hear your opinion about that.)
Still mourn the loss of Brilliant Speed at such an early age.
So I was looking at Intent’s line (Man O’War/Godolphin Arabian) and I wonder what happened with some of his get, like Intensive? Intensive was a multiple stakes winner and after 58 races was still listed as a Horse, so you have to wonder why he wasn’t bred? I can’t be the only one who looks at these pedigrees and would love to read a book about some of their stories. Not a scientific or technical book on bloodlines, but a personal history of some of these horses who went nowhere, at least, nowhere that is easy to view online. Did he end up as a hunter or personal riding horse? Was he injured? Was he sterile? Inquiring minds want to know, but only an historian can figure out what happens to the lesser horses.
I love reading the Up Close and Personal accounts but of course, they are always about outstanding horses, accounts like these about Ack Ack:
https://www.americasbestracing.net/the-sport/2014-ack-ack-no-surrender
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-01-10/sports/sp-11207_1_ack-ack
…and especially, this quoted section of Charles Hattan, whose writing style makes me feel like I’m reading about a horse from a far away century:
https://ddink55.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/ack-ack-1971/
The other stallion at Calumet who I find interesting is Intent line… Bal a Bali
https://www.pedigreequery.com/bal+a+Bali
the one mare Gonfalon in his pedigree 4 x 4 also has two lines to Man o’ War. Yeah… it’s way far back in terms of Bal a Bali himself, but neat to see multiple lines to Man O’ War all the same.
https://www.pedigreequery.com/gonfalon
would be neat to see conformation pictures of Bal a Bali.
I love the history part of it all too.
People are funny. In Bal a Bali’s biography on Calumet’s page, this is written:
“I think the interesting thing for breeders also is to take a look at his conformation…”
And as you point out, there is no conformation photo of him on the website, at least, not that I could find.
Here’s a sort-of conformation photo of his sire, Put It Back, from the breeder’s website:
http://www.ararasite.com/PDF/putitback.pdf
Oh and let me add, thank you for the diversion! I probably spent an hour looking at Bal a Bali’s pedigree and that Brazilian stud farm’s website. They have some nice horses.
Point of Entry got a strong boost to his stallion career from his wonderful female family. He has consistently bred around 100 mares a year every year he’s been at stud. (2018 numbers not yet released.)
Olivers Twist, in Colorado, also is free of these three.
His get are super duper sporty, although the fillies I’ve seen don’t suffer fools. The geldings seem to have a bit more of a sense of humor.
He’s also led the Colorado sire’s list several times.