You have no understanding of what this is about. Whatever 25 year old you think you know about is totally incorrect.
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He probably feels you are grossly offensive. I think most of you commenting on this are trying to feel more important in the horse world then you are. I donât ride anymore, havenât seen Tommy in years so I have no âdog in this fightâ (oh gosh, offensive again🤌âÂââ˘âŹĂŻÂ¸Â). Iâd say stick to riding and get off this post. None of us know what happened, but it sounds like SS is overreaching and potentially ruining peopleâs lives. I thought it was innocent until proven guilty. Did the 25 year old go to the police? Go do something productive. Times are hard right now with the pandemic. Focus elsewhere. Not on people you donât know.
My issue with SS is they do not actually follow their own procedures, at least not consistently.
Perhaps instead of using the term âdue processâÂ, there might be more productive conversation around the concept of âconsistent processâ AND AND EQUALLY APPLIED no matter who you are.
Itâs quite insulting to keep reading that âif you donât believe in SS you must be a child molester or support themâ um, not even close. I donât understand How some people canât seem to understand that it is possible to support the need for SS, NOT support or be a child molester, and want to see the process improved! Itâs not a zero sum game here people.
And the process could be vastly improved if they just followed their own damn rules, EVERY TIME for EVERYONE.
Iâm making no comment or judgment on the content actual cases below, just the process or lack therof.
Examples: the granddaddy of them all, GM. By all accounts he knew he was being investigated for a year, perhaps longer- but not once did he go in the interim list until he was permanently banned. Whereas other people are being thrown on the interim list while the investigation proceeds. Pick one. No one should get special treatment. I donât care who you are.
The individual being discussed on the post that went poof. So heâs on the main list but not USEF because he has his own special category? Huh? And is allowed âlimited interaction â, what that even means. You can hang around kids and go to USEF events on MWF but not Tues/Th? Can people fraternize with you on your allowed days or not?
Again with the individual discussed above, there was some commentary that USEF would not go back and amend his âsentenceâ because it was put in place before SS existed. Double jeopardy I believe was the term used. Huh? So are we using a legal process or not, because if we arenât, and we really are making up our own club rules, sure does seem he should be on the USEF list and no interaction
And if double jeopardy is a thing, why is TS back on the list?
And if USEF is going to be selective about which legal processes they will follow, âstatute of limitations â should probably be revisited. why does it seem that so many of these cases are decades old? I can easily think of three or four people in my neck of the woods âwhy isnât THAT guy on the list?â Focus on the current dangers (by all means if someone who did bad stuff 30 years ago continues to this day- fry âem)
Finally, another âdo as I say and not as I doâ by the PTB⌠I have read quite a few times in various places that our own USEF presidentâs underage daughter was involved in a sexual relationship with an older man. If itâs true, Why isnât that guy on the list? It is, after all, statutory rape (see the parts above about picking and choosing which parts of the real law will be followed). And before some one says âbecause no one reported himâ ⌠then someone report him. Not so much to âgetâ that guy (I donât know any of the details- maybe a 17/18 year old thing? But still, legally itâs statutory rape) but to send a clear message to the leadership - these arenât just the rules for the unwashed masses- YOU must abide by them too.
Iâll stop with those. A final thought; itâs pretty hard to have faith in a process that certainly seems to reek of âequal justice for someâÂ
ETA I thought of one more- There was a guy on that list for three weeks and he had no idea. Until someone called to ask him what was going on. Where was the notification from either safe sport or user?
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Engaging in a sexual relationship with another adult is not a crime, so no, the 25 year old presumably did not go to the police. The SS code prohibits some types of behavior even if the behavior is not a crime. For example, it prohibits indulging in a sexual relationship in which there is a significant power imbalance, even if both parties are adults.
At this point, SS has determined the allegations of misconduct are credible, and if he wants to maintain his innocence, he has the option to appeal before an arbitrator. Thatâs why it says âSubject to appealâÂ.
None of us know what happened because SS doesnât release any details beyond the determination.
The extent of your misinformation is rather spectacular.
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Ya I made it up -wth?
SS sounds overreaching in my opinion. Tell us who you are YankeeDutchess. Are you a mom of a kid rider? Do you know Tommy Serio? What is your interest and/or knowledge of this situation?
Iâd agree with you except immigration and family law are famous for having incompetent practitioners. Lotâs of desperate people with not a lot of funds on whom to prey.
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Wait, so you werenât there either and in fact havenât even seen him in years, but you are convinced your take is correct and you insist anyone who âwasnât thereâ shut up and go be productive. Maybe follow your own advice?
What it âsounds likeâ to you isnât a particularly persuasive argument.
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Okay, if everyone knows the facts then what are they? How old is she or was she? What happened? Why donât you reveal who you are if you rode with him? Personally i think you are a bunch of wannabes with nothing else to do. I donât ride anymore so am tuning out this nonsense. Hope you feel proud of your worthless and baseless opinions.
Ah, the second flounce out of the day!!! PleaseâŚ
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I agree with you that the term âdue processâ creates confusion. Many people think the term necessarily applies to the particular process prescribed by the constitution for the criminal justice system. I suggest calling that âdue process (C)âÂ
for Constitutional.
While that exact form of due process does not apply to SS, I agree that SS needs to abide by its own due process (say, âdue process (SS)âÂ).
But you havenât convinced me of significant lapses by SS in following its own version of due process.
WRT interim suspensions, the rule is that a person under investigation is interim suspended if he/she is considered an active risk of offending while the investigation is going on. So apparently GM was deemed not a risk of offending during his two year investigation.
Double jeopardy: It would have been double jeopardy for Serio if it had gone through to a conclusion of the investigation, and then a new investigation opened, but in the parallel criminal court context, a person can be charged, the charges dropped, and charges refiled without it being double jeopardy.
Whether a relationship between a 17 year old and an 18 year old constitutes statutory rape: To a first approximation, statutory rape is sex with someone under the age of consent, which varies from 16 to 18 in the US. However, in most states, the law specifically takes into account the age gap. In a state in which the age of consent is 18, Iâd be surprised if sex between a 17 year old and an 18 year old is actually considered statutory rape. At least not felony statutory rape. So unless you know the details, you donât know that it is statutory rape.
Limited interaction: yes, prohibiting lessons on MWF but allowing them on T/Th would be stupid, and thatâs not what that means. A problematic jumper trainer might be prohibited from participating in actual shows, but might be permitted to still design courses (things that did not involve interacting with minors).
So I 100% agree that SS needs to uniformly follow its own due process system. I just donât see that you have brought up any major breaches.
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I would like to recommend to you my own internal blocking system, where when someone starts out as unhinged, and beyond the pale, I just presume I dont need to read any more of their --now oddly prolificâposts.
You donât have to, but it helps.
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First of all, itâs YankeeDuchess.
I do not know Tommy Serio personally, and would probably not even be aware of the name if BN and KS had not made him the poster child of the anti SS groups. So SS put him on the list. BN and KS made him a social media star.
Are you threatening my children (if any)?
I am interested in and strongly supportive of SafeSport.
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This makes no sense - and why would people âprayâ on people âwithout fundsâ ? And why are they incompetent ?
Well, making up phony credentials in an unconvincing way just makes you look â phonier.
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Wait - WHAT?!
By your own admission you are far removed from TS, have nothing to do with him in any way and thus have no idea what happened - and yet you are repeatedly posting to sneer, lecture and basically ignore the âadviceâ you thought you should offer the rest of us??
Alrighty then.
Wow.
Combined with your cavalier comment about lynching, it seems that you really should focus elsewhere. Not on people you do not know.
But thanks for the guffaw - the hilarity of your assertion that I am trying to feel more important in the horse world than I am was completely hilarious and clueless - all at once. I have no desire to feel important - in the horse world or anywhere else. Zero. Zilch. Zip. Nada.
ribs hurt from laughing
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Where do people come up with this stuff? lol I have been licensed since 1985 in multiple states
