"too much horse" thread. Found this video randomly.

I think a lot about having “too much horse”. I’ve have a horse that is “too much” sitting in my field doing nothing for the last 5 years because I don’t want my back broken again.

As I get older the requirements for “too much” are getting less and less… but that’s ok. None of my 4th graders want to push me around in a wheel chair all day!

I was looking at “Recommended for you” videos on You Tube and saw this. At first I thought it was going to be a cheesy-made by a tween- video ode to her horse and their connection…

But the action in this one was pretty good!

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Thoughts?

What a terrifically talented, attractive animal! I love that the rider is so balanced and quiet.

The horse definitely appears to have a lot going on in his mind - hard to tell what is aggression and what is playfulness. The rider appears to be very capable, willing to dedicate the time and effort to this horse and to get back on again and again. Most importantly, the horse appears to have a sense of self preservation, and while he has little regard for the rider’s safety, he doesn’t look like one who’s at risk of flipping. The horses who will get THEMSELVES killed are the ones I stay far, far away from. The rest (with a few exceptions) can usually come around if someone is willing to deal with it.

The rider in the video is YOUNGl

When I was 12, I got my first pony. I knew nothing, and got run away with and bucked off on a regular basis. In time, and with guidance from a dear friend, I ended up with a trustworthy mount I could do just about anything with.

As a young adult (20s to 30s) I obtained a crazy little Arab who would bolt without notice until the day he passed on. I ended up eventing him to training level and winning many ribbons.

However, after my first child was born (I was 37 yrs. old), things changed. After my MS diagnosis (I was 41), things changed. After my Addison’s diagnosis (I was 48) things changed. Now I have a stocky little QH (affectionately know as the Cow) and I ride dressage a few times a week, spring through fall, and jump low jumps. There is no shame in accepting limitations.

My advice: If your horse with potential is not happy “out to pasture” then find someone younger and with less injuries to ride/buy him. If he is happy as a pasture potato and you enjoy taking care of him. don’t guilt yourself into worrying about it. Life is too short!

Cant see it from canada

These are the horses that teach their riders the most. When you are both young you can work things out together.

The horse in the video met up with a good, young, rider that did what a horse like this needs. Someone to ride forward thru the sulks and redirect the energy. It sounds like she found the value of ground work and exposing him to a lot from the ground.

There’s a lot of us out there who “in the day” wouldn’t give up on a horse like this but as we get older we realize that we don’t bounce the way we used to and just don’t want to take the time and energy (not to mention the chance of getting hurt) to work with young or green horses anymore. To me it’s a wise decision.

I just wish I could ride that good!

I would not have taken the time with him though. A lot of that was just what I would consider mean on the part of the horse and there are to many good horses to feed one that will get you seriously hurt.

I am in Toronto (in the middle of yet another snow storm…with more ice to come) and can view this video fine. I have seen it before as well…but must say good for the rider to keep getting up there after all the falls.

I don’t think the horse was mean per se. I think he was fresh and young and unschooled. And perhaps a touch naughty who needed some stern lessons in obedience. Clearly this young lady took the softer approach but it seemed to work for her. Kudos to her! I agree many would have just moved on to another horse. He is cute though.

This video literally made me bawl. I have a horse that broke my neck, broke my neck, and severely pulled my groin all in 2 back to back rides. The first injury left me with a 95% chance of being paralyzed but I have a seriously awesome guardian angel. 8 months of a perfect horse and then this. Every day is a struggle of “He will kill me” to “He needs more work” to “He will keep doing it” to “30 days with a cowboy will fix it” to “He will do the same thing to someone else, do the humane thing.” I’m only 25 but some days my body feels 75. These are the cases when a crystal ball would be nice.

Video reminds me of “Breathe”. That being said I wasn’t the kid to ride a horse like that and help it work through it’s issues. She does say that 6 weeks of work in hand and showing in hand made a huge difference for them both - is this British? because I don’t see a lot of in hand classes here that aren’t AQHA halter.

I sometimes wish I could go back with what I know now and slip into my teenaged body and USE it as I could have. They say youth is wasted on the young - my body is so worn now, my time too valuable to chance the effect on my family. Maybe we all need to encourage the young among us to use what they have and create winners instead of making up horses for them so they’ll be sure to win.

http://www.nickertown.com/post/Breathe-by-Shannon-Roepke

I’m going to be the negative nelly here.

I think that it takes a rare and special rider to fix a horse like this and I love seeing the change in behavior that quiet riding fixes. I have fixed horses similar to this.

However, there are easier horses out there and this horse is dangerous and I think that sometimes people watch videos like this and assume they are able capable and willing to fix a horse like this because they “love” it and they get hurt. Bad.

Or people like the above poster think that they HAVE to ride a horse like this.

Horses like this can teach you how to become a better rider at the same time they load you with baggage or they can chase you out of riding through fear or injury.

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I’m going to be the negative nelly here.

I think that it takes a rare and special rider to fix a horse like this and I love seeing the change in behavior that quiet riding fixes. I have fixed horses similar to this.

However, there are easier horses out there and this horse is dangerous and I think that sometimes people watch videos like this and assume they are able capable and willing to fix a horse like this because they “love” it and they get hurt. Bad.

Or people like the above poster think that they HAVE to ride a horse like this.

Horses like this can teach you how to become a better rider at the same time they load you with baggage or they can chase you out of riding through fear or injury.[/QUOTE]

I couldn’t have said it better. What this horse really needed was a couple months of quality training with a LOT OF DISCIPLINE. He is dangerous in the sense that he has a total lack of RESPECT for people, most evident in the wheeling and kicking at everyone. And while it is commendable what this young lady has done with him, the lack of respect is still there and will rear it’s ugly head again.

Honestly…he just looked like a green bean. An athletic green horse…and very typical of most of the ones I’ve owned and ridden most of my life. The rider looks a bit inexperienced on bringing on the green horse–or these were just videos of the worst. But the rider looks more than capable enough. The leading issue should have been the first flag that this horse needs serious ground work. Some of them do…but even the good ones can act up.

Was this horse too much…for some people, absolutely. But he didn’t look exceptionally bad to me. Just needed a good soft rider who rode him forward and didn’t send mixed signals (which can be very hard when they also bolt and buck). Seeing some of the video, I would have gone back to ground work right away. He looked like a horse that may not have been handled much as a youngster and so needed some holes filled in his training. But many 4-5 year olds go through a bit of a rank period.

Completely agree with BFNE. My first thought was, put that horse on a lungeline and don’t even get on him until he is listening and mannerly on the ground, leading, lunging, and long-lining.

I could be on board with the idea that he was just green or inexperienced, however seeing him throw legs out towards the camera person on several occasions makes me disagree. I know quite a few green horses who would never take a shot with a back leg at a person. Being green is not an excuse for this aspect of his behavior. I feel like there was something else going on with him that caused him to be that disrespectful and act out towards people. The rider did a great job with him and good for her for persevering, but not every rider out there should be doing this.

Eesh, looks like too much horse for me! Of all the things he does, nothing bothered me as much as him kicking out at people (especially the rider right after she fell off.) The horse knew what he was doing–it wasn’t just the baby sillies.

That video makes me thankful my baby horse is as good as he is–the worst thing he does is get fast and scrambly when he’s confused. Props to that rider for bringing him along, he’s a talented horse!

I agree with bfne. Big, athletic, ornery baby who missed a few lessons early on and probably got pushed a bit too far, too fast. Having the six weeks on the ground seemed to have filled in a lot of the holes. Too bad it took an injury before she got around to figuring that bit out, but we’ve all learned a few things the hard way on occasion.

My guess is had he been in a program with a pro, he would turned the corner a lot quicker, but she was trying her darndest to figure him out, and that’s the only way we can learn to be better.

Very cool horse. I’m glad she got to the bottom of him!

Same pair in 2013:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPgg-uZuIE

Nice horse and nice rider, very soft with exceptional hands. In my opinion horses like this deserve training but need a rider who is as capable as this one. He’s clearly not into killing his rider but rather the type who challenges his rider and then once won over is a talented and great ride.

The difficulty often comes when riders think they are as soft, intuitive and bold as they need to be to ride a horse like this but, in fact, aren’t. Once the rider becomes frightened the horse seems to get labeled dangerous. I’ve known two dangerous horses in forty years and both went after their riders, one by throwing himself down and trying to roll on his fallen rider and the other by flipping over and then rolling on his rider. There is a big difference between a silly two year old falling on his rider accidently while playing around and a horse going after his rider… But like I said, I’ve only seen two out of many many horses. Most are like this horse and just need a good intuitive rider.

I have a mare who behaved like this through every aspect of her training. My first response was to take her back to the basics, beginning with basic handling and leading. However, as I moved forward we hit the same blocks until I had to just keep going with the next stage if I wanted to ever ride her. I’d still be leading her had I not ridden her through that type of behavior. It’s just what it took with her. Eventually she decided she liked the game.

I think every horse deserves a chance, but I’ve learned there are a few out there who demand that you completely rethink and recreate your training strategies. And also, you have to be very honest with yourself about what you can ride, for your own sake and the horse’s.

Those antics looked beyond just “green and ill mannered” to me. I’ve known very few truly ornery horses (not saying they’re not out there!), nine times of ten chronic behavior like that in the face of good, consistent training (which it really looked like he was getting) makes me think of pain. I’m all for horses working through a little discomfort and don’t fancy myself one who babies them, but who knows what else that guy had going on? Six weeks off probably did a lot of physical good for this horse, the acute injury aside. I’m sure the in-hand work was a huge factor as well, but that big of a difference in movement and behavior under saddle looks like more than just a change in manners, in my very non-expert opinion. :winkgrin: