Tori Colvin annouced retirement of Way Cool, Inclusive, Canadian Blue, and Ovation

[vxf111]

I admit it’s PURE speculation. Just as much as assuming that the retirement is 100% based on benevolent motices is pure speculation. None of us internet strangers will EVER know BP’s actual motivation. We’ll always be guessing.

However I will say-- don’t do crap like give your show horses GABA if you don’t want people to gossip about you. If you don’t like the limelight so much, stay out of it. No one’s ever going to talk about Barry Bonds without mentioning the asterick. That’s how it goes when the public learns what people do to be successful.

[leyla25]

Isn’t it time to give this topic, rider and everyone involved a rest? It’s like a movie repeating the same lines over and over.

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=leyla25;8386435]
Isn’t it time to give this topic, rider and everyone involved a rest? It’s like a movie repeating the same lines over and over.[/QUOTE]

Rug sweeping, just what the hunters need?!

I know a good way to to ensure people don’t comment publicly on your tweets… don’t publicly tweet!

[jhg140]

[QUOTE=vxf111;8386364]
I’m not sure the “team” wanted/wants to share their prep routine. Would you? Especially if it’s disallowed under the rules? [/QUOTE]

Pretty sure this stuff is shared… sales barns will send prep books with each horse they sell. I’ve heard people say “this is what so-and-so uses, let’s see if it works for our horses.” etc etc etc

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=jhg140;8386450]
Pretty sure this stuff is shared… a certain well known sales barn sends a prep book with each horse they sell. I’ve heard trainers say “this is what so-and-so uses, let’s see if it works for our horses.” etc etc etc[/QUOTE]

Sounds like an awesome way to get busted if someone decided to turn on you!

[ynl063w]

[QUOTE=vxf111;8386370]
You are missing another constant… BC. She of the shaky hands, who by some testimony is the magician with just the right amount of GABA.

Remember that Way Cool left Scott’s program and went to several other trainers and was TOTALLY UNRIDEABLE so much so that they tried to parelli him in desperation. Then he went back to Scott and the team and voila-- magic-- champion junior horse again.

Maybe “everybody” preps but clearly not everybody preps the same. Maybe whatever needs to be done for these horses is something other riders can’t/won’t/don’t know to do. It’s hard for me to believe that someone who rides as well as Hunt Tosh (and who BP clearly supports and has other horses with) just can’t ride well enough. I suspect (and of course it’s nothing more than speculation) that he either didn’t have the magic prep balance down or just plain wasn’t willing to do it.[/QUOTE]

I had never heard that story about way cool so I just looked up his USEF record and there is no evidence to suggest he was out of Scott Stewart’s control for any real length of time. There is nothing indicating that Hunt Tosh ever had him either. Can you elaborate?

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=ynl063w;8386469]
I had never heard that story about way cool so I just looked up his USEF record and there is no evidence to suggest he was out of Scott Stewart’s control for any real length of time. There is nothing indicating that Hunt Tosh ever had him either. Can you elaborate?[/QUOTE]

There was a COTH article about this but darned if I can find it on my iPhone. Several years ago. I recall reading it in hard copy and thinking ORL? at the time. But I haven’t been able to pull it up. I know it was in COTH and BP was quoted but I cannot recall exactly the year. In and around when VC started doing him in the pro divisions?!

[jhg140]

[QUOTE=vxf111;8386452]
Sounds like an awesome way to get busted if someone decided to turn on you![/QUOTE]

Well, the specific instances I know of, none of those people has been set down, so it is a business model that seems to be working for them.

[Horseperson112]

[QUOTE=vxf111;8386452]
Sounds like an awesome way to get busted if someone decided to turn on you![/QUOTE]

Don’t forget that a lot of prep (including all the perfect prep which seems to cause such consternation) is legal (ignoring the spirit of the rule to not use calming substances argument with regards to perfect prep and other similar supplements.)

Usually when you sell a horse you want it to do well, so you provide the new owner the tools needed to replicate the horse’s success.

[ynl063w]

[QUOTE=vxf111;8386481]
There was a COTH article about this but darned if I can find it on my iPhone. Several years ago. I recall reading it in hard copy and thinking ORL? at the time. But I haven’t been able to pull it up. I know it was in COTH and BP was quoted but I cannot recall exactly the year. In and around when VC started doing him in the pro divisions?![/QUOTE]

That just sounds to me like something you would read at that gossipy other board and not in a COTH article. I just can’t imagine BP throwing one of her riders under the bus like that, or talking about parelli. That and the lack of evidence that the horse was with another trainer, let alone several, for any amount of time has me more than a little skeptical about this story.

I hope you find the article because I am really interested in reading it!

[jmjhp]

I never thought Canadian blue looked that easy, I thought he looked rather strong at times .

[TSWJB]

[QUOTE=Cannonball;8386229]
Yes you are correct. And Ovation was scratched from the National. And was pretty bad (for them) at WIHS.[/QUOTE]

This disgusts me! He was probably bad because it would be a bit hard to “prep” him with their illegal drugs. Thus whole scandal is making me sick! Send accolades to the people who drugged their horses for those top ribbons and awards! I wish they could strip those ribbons

[harrisburgrules]

[QUOTE=TSWJB;8386566]
This disgusts me! He was probably bad because it would be a bit hard to “prep” him with their illegal drugs. Thus whole scandal is making me sick! Send accolades to the people who drugged their horses for those top ribbons and awards! I wish they could strip those ribbons[/QUOTE]

And you know this how?

[TSWJB]

[QUOTE=harrisburgrules;8386570]
And you know this how?[/QUOTE]

It’s all about appearances. Horse was caught drugging. Now is misbehaving!!! Hmmmm. And don’t deny that he was prepped with illegal substances

[harrisburgrules]

[QUOTE=TSWJB;8386579]
It’s all about appearances. Horse was caught drugging. Now is misbehaving!!! Hmmmm. And don’t deny that he was prepped with illegal substances[/QUOTE]

first of all, different horse.

[Darkwave]

[QUOTE=Darkwave;8385992]
I wonder if they’re doing retirement ceremonies for each? My understanding is that you can always just announce that a horse is retired, and then unretire him/her later. But if you have an official retirement ceremony at a rated horse show, then the horse cannot be shown ever again at a rated show.[/QUOTE]

@trubandloki;8386320

Wow! I did not know that. Interesting things you learn on COTH.

Did some digging - it’s GR812:

"GR812 Retirement Ceremony

1. If a retirement ceremony is allowed at the request of the owner of a horse, that horse may not be permitted to compete at the competition. Any horse officially retired at a Licensed Competition is barred for life from further competition at Licensed Competitions except by special permission of the Board of Directors; however, they can continue to be shown in Academy classes, Leadline classes, Get of Sire and Produce of Dam classes.
2. The Federation will give necessary publicity to all official retirement ceremonies
   and will notify all Licensed Competitions. See GR1214.7.
3. Any ceremony announcing an exhibitor’s retirement from competition is prohibited. "

[roamingnome]

I believe Betsee announced Ovation and Inclusive would be retired at the end of this year back in Palm Beach. I also remember reading a story about Way Cool, that he was a very difficult ride and that the only person who could get him around was Tori. Don’t recall anything about CB, but he’s never looked like the easiest ride.

They’re Betsee’s horses and she can do as she pleases with them. If she wanted to take over the reins and do the low adults on them she could, but I’m sure she’d also get backlash for that “Why not let them retire? Why do they have to keep proving themselves?”
People would be equally upset if she didn’t retire them!

Betsee didn’t have to fund the rides for Tori, and maybe she doesn’t want to continue funding junior hunters- maybe she wants to stick to the Pro ring and the Pony ring. Or maybe she just doesn’t want anyone else to ride these horses! Or she has too many empty stalls in Middleburg and wants to fill them! Who knows! It’s up to her!

[roamingnome]

[QUOTE=Darkwave;8386613]
Did some digging - it’s GR812:

"GR812 Retirement Ceremony

1. If a retirement ceremony is allowed at the request of the owner of a horse, that horse may not be permitted to compete at the competition. Any horse officially retired at a Licensed Competition is barred for life from further competition at Licensed Competitions except by special permission of the Board of Directors; however, they can continue to be shown in Academy classes, Leadline classes, Get of Sire and Produce of Dam classes.
2. The Federation will give necessary publicity to all official retirement ceremonies
   and will notify all Licensed Competitions. See GR1214.7.
3. Any ceremony announcing an exhibitor’s retirement from competition is prohibited. "[/QUOTE]

I had no idea! #thingsyoulearnonCOTH

[Lord_Helpus]

[QUOTE=ynl063w;8386316]
Has Betsee Parker ever sold a horse? And is it really all that unusual for her to retire them before they are what the COTH forum members consider an acceptable age? When is the last time anyone saw Lone Star? Listen?

Does anyone remember what happened when it was thought that Rox Dene might make a good junior hunter horse? There really isn’t any reason to put a kid in a situation like that.

I think everyone is getting all in a tizzy because there are four retiring at once. I just don’t see anything nefarious here, and it certainly doesn’t seem surprising to me given who the owner is.[/QUOTE]

Rox Dene was leased to Megan Johnstone, who was an excellent jr. rider. At Ox Ridge (which was only the 2-3rd show together, IIRC), they missed a distance and both RD and Megan went down. Megan was lying on the ground with a broken collar bone (arm?) yet everyone went running to Rox Dene to make sure she was OK.

Again, IIRC, that was the last time Rox Dene showed.

[Lord_Helpus]

And I do not agree that horses are happier in a field. Especially show horses who have been spent their lives around constant activity, vanning, grooming, lunging, showing. Sometimes such horses do not do at all well when they are retired

I know of several famous hunters who cannot stand to be out more than 2 - 3 hours a day. They need the security of a stall and grooming/pampering by their minions to be happy when their show careers are over.