As I recall, Lone Star was the one who was great with Hunt, went off to someone else where he didn’t win squat, then back to Hunt to start winning again.
Show prep is not one size, fits all.
Surely they will be used as schooling horses for for other riders?
Cheryl
And I do not agree that horses are happier in a field. Especially show horses who have been spent their lives around constant activity, vanning, grooming, lunging, showing. Sometimes such horses do not do at all well when they are retired
true, but that type of horse is in the minority. The vast majority (if properly transitioned) do quite well acting “like horses”.
As far as I know, the retirement of these horses was planned for the end of TC’s junior year for some time. I don’t have any inside scoop, but however it happened, I understood they were to be retired long before #ninetubapalooza happened. Maybe my memory of the timing is wrong, but I do not believe those two events are directly connected.
And I don’t know if I would draw conclusions about ponies and eq horses not being retired. Ponies and eq horses draw their fame from being awesome with many riders, the same is rarely true of hunters. That doesn’t mean it never happens, but in general, part of pony/eq lore is bringing up many riders, but you never really hear that as part of the “history” of a great hunter. I get the feeling BP is as attached to the appropriate legacy as she is to win pictures, so it doesn’t surprise me the retirements play out this way
Besides, if BP retires them and then want to sponsor another promising junior rider, think of all the commissions upon commissions that can be earned! It’s good for the economy! 
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Cynical view but could be true. Without the specific “prep regimen” they’re used to (which another “team” might be unable to replicate) these horses may not stay on top. Hence, better to retire them now.[/QUOTE]
Yes very cynical and they are still wonderful horses, but, that is what I would do if I were in that position.
Maybe riders shouldn’t be over-mounted. Used to be (in my world growing up) if you weren’t experienced enough to ride a horse you didn’t drug the horse, you just didn’t ride it.
Yeah I know, unrealistic now I guess.
Cheryl
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Surely they will be used as schooling horses for for other riders?
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I highly doubt that.
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Horse was caught drugging. Now is misbehaving!!![/QUOTE]
The horse was caught drugging? Now THAT would be an interesting story :winkgrin:
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I know it was a COTH article about Way Cool. I remember holding it in my hands and reading it. No way I’m going to find it until I sit down with a computer. Not that really old COTH articles are all probably online. This was years ago.
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This disgusts me! He was probably bad because it would be a bit hard to “prep” him with their illegal drugs. Thus whole scandal is making me sick! Send accolades to the people who drugged their horses for those top ribbons and awards! I wish they could strip those ribbons[/QUOTE]
He was only “bad” once when he got his eye something outside of the ring and stopped at a fence. It’s WIHS, and as George taught us (over and over again!), he’s a warmblood with an inbred spook. Besides that he had two lovely rounds where horses with equally lovely rounds happened to pin above him (as can happen in a subjective judging environment.) They chose not to hack him after the stop. Ovation was champion in the older smalls and high score of the entire show (including all the pros) at Harrisburg. (Which since facts are often optional here, was AFTER the transcript scandal.) So it’s unlikely it was the prep.
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Yes you are correct. And Ovation was scratched from the National. And was pretty bad (for them) at WIHS.[/QUOTE]
Tori could only ride three junior hunters at NHS. Who knows exactly why they chose what they did, but those three make sense (Way Cool hadn’t done an indoor yet, Small Affair had been grand at the prior two, Inclusive and Ovation had shown the prior two.)
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Maybe riders shouldn’t be over-mounted. Used to be (in my world growing up) if you weren’t experienced enough to ride a horse you didn’t drug the horse, you just didn’t ride it.
Yeah I know, unrealistic now I guess.
Cheryl[/QUOTE]
Agreed that Tori is over-mounted. It’s hard to watch sometimes. She needs to learn to ride those horses better.
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Tori could only ride three junior hunters at NHS. Who knows exactly why they chose what they did, but those three make sense (Way Cool hadn’t done an indoor yet, Small Affair had been grand at the prior two, Inclusive and Ovation had shown the prior two.)[/QUOTE]
Good points. Also I just read an article from Feb 2015 stating the plan was to retire Ovation after WIHS. So it was apparently never in the plan to show him at National. I’m sure they were unhappy with the WIHS results but stuck with their plan.
Another interesting point about retiring these horses is how little they actually show. Because they win most of the time they show they don’t require many shows to qualify. They most likely have less show miles than the majority of the horses they compete against.
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I know it was a COTH article about Way Cool. I remember holding it in my hands and reading it. No way I’m going to find it until I sit down with a computer. Not that really old COTH articles are all probably online. This was years ago.[/QUOTE]
That’s the one I’m thinking of as well, remember it was in COTH, but maybe 4 years ago? 5?
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Agreed that Tori is over-mounted. It’s hard to watch sometimes. She needs to learn to ride those horses better.[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol:
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That just sounds to me like something you would read at that gossipy other board and not in a COTH article. I just can’t imagine BP throwing one of her riders under the bus like that, or talking about parelli. That and the lack of evidence that the horse was with another trainer, let alone several, for any amount of time has me more than a little skeptical about this story.
I hope you find the article because I am really interested in reading it![/QUOTE]
The USEF record shows him with Robert Collucio at WEF in 2011, which is consistent with Betsee’s stated plan (see here http://www.equisearch.com/article/devon_horse_show_060410). Apparently things didn’t work out for Rob.
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That’s the one I’m thinking of as well, remember it was in COTH, but maybe 4 years ago? 5?[/QUOTE]
That sounds right and it might have been in June/July-- after Devon. It REALLY stuck out to me that they tried natural horsemanship for him. I vividly remember reading that and finding it surprising.
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Sounds like an awesome way to get busted if someone decided to turn on you![/QUOTE]
Well you would think, but, for one thing that isn’t how drug testing works. It is also so commonplace that most BNT have a trunk full of meds, syringes that if another trainer needs something they just borrow or get advice from another trainer. It just isn’t a big deal which is really upsetting. You don’t know this until you are a customer at a BNT and happen to be hanging around after show hours and overhear this or trainers are drinking beers and loose lips start a flapping.
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Surely they will be used as schooling horses for for other riders?
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This just goes to show how out of touch people really are on these boards.
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That sounds right and it might have been in June/July-- after Devon. It REALLY stuck out to me that they tried natural horsemanship for him. I vividly remember reading that and finding it surprising.[/QUOTE]
There’s a short article from 2013 about him being a bit of a Jekyll/Hyde but not about natural horsemanship…that I can find so far.
